It is true that in some cases some people do get true saint as a Guru without much effort in the present life. If a person had already searched for Guru in earlier lives or if he had done a lot of Sadhana (spiritual practice) in earlier lives, he is entitled for such meeting in this life. Those who don't have the bank balance, meaning those who haven’t done enough in this direction, for them it is obvious that they will have to earn spiritual qualification for having Guru. So, efforts to look for genuine saint are required in all the cases. God takes a note of your efforts and marks your destiny for having a meeting with genuine saint in some other life.
Merely having genuine saint as Guru does not solve the problem. Your faith in him counts a lot. It is only if you have faith you will behave according to what saint prescribes. If the prescription is not followed religiously, desired result cannot be seen.
Death of Desires
Death of desires is not really death to them. Desires will not cease to exist. The point is, there has to be one desire whose outcome is such that the heart is replete with the joy and there is no scope for further desire to creep in the mind. Since the joy has to be there for all the time, it has to be never-ending, meaning infinite! That is desires do not die. All that happens is desires can never enter into your mind. So is the paradox: You are relieved from trouble, however, trouble is still there!
Why does science keep producing new things?
God is infinite happiness and finite senses cannot perceive infinite happiness. In Hindu philosophy even Maya (A power of God that hides God from us) is also infinite but its nature is material or physical (Bhautik). Therefore, scientists can never go to the depth of it as more you go deep more depth is still left! This is why science keeps on hitting newer and newer things. There will be no end to it. What we are concerned with is whether science can come up with some invention that will make us happy infinitely. That is impossibility. Science needs concrete things to deal with. Happiness is abstract. In fact, science has origin in happiness. Therefore, happiness cannot be subject of science. One engages into science just to derive happiness through pacifying curiosity. Unless answers are sought for the reasons behind generation of desires or for the reason behind the very nature of seeking happiness, search cannot be directed to the proper domain. Whatever we observe including genes or atoms is governed by certain laws. Are the laws established between genes and the corresponding effects are laws in themselves or they are dependent on other laws, is a serious question, which needs proper explanation. Why after all a particular gene should produce a particular effect and why such gene should be available only with certain persons and not with others? At some point of time science give up. The conclusion is, even though science keeps on producing newer and newer things, they all are misleading.
That brings out another point that going beyond Maya, or so to say going beyond nature is not possible for science unless it gets infinite power somehow. Science is not some living entity, which can have intellect of its own. Science is a collection of findings of the intelligent persons over a period of time. If a person wants to make use of those findings, he must accumulate the instruments, which are required to demonstrate the findings. For example, although there is description of bulb and wires and electricity in a book of science, a person needs to seek all of them to take advantage of scientific findings. Which means that use of science is possible only at personal level. In the same fashion, although the spiritual happiness available in abundance, one must gather the instruments at personal level in order to experience that happiness.
Love divine is beyond reach of human as human. Only those souls who are blessed with divine mind and divine body get experience of divine love. Divine sight seeing is not possible through the human vision. If you had read Gita, Arjun was given the divine vision before he could see divine God.
Going beyond Maya is not possible for any mind unless one gets infinite power through grace of Guru to cross the threshold of Maya. In addition, that infinite power must be of divine nature to perceive divine God. Actually infinite encompass of Maya originates from infinite encompass of God. Thus, the one, who acquires the infinite power that is essentially divine, can see God. Joy is there only if strength to withstand that joy is there. This the precise reason as why our mind is incapable of having infinite joy! We don't have infinite strength to bear it!
Nothing
could become less provided one has infinite Love, which is divine
love. All other love is finite and there are up and down in it, which
no one can avoid.
The problem of divinity is that it cannot be comprehended with our present state of mind. It is beyond the scope of our mind as of now. If, some how, mind's comprehending power is improved to the extent that it can withhold infinite happiness within it, one can have experience of divinity. As one does spiritual practice, the grasp of mind increases and with Guru's grace, one day, mind becomes capable of comprehending divine God.
Candle
Burns!
Candle burns and ends in a day.
Sun burns and ends in ages.
What a pity
Our desires never burn!
Rather, our desires keep on burning us for time infinite without any end.
The definition of God in Indian philosophy is - Through whom the world originates, in whom the world resides and in whom the world sinks!
In other words, God is the one from which this world comes out, through which the world remains active (Just as computer remains active through and in electricity) and in which the world finally dissolves. The cycle repeats infinitely.
We begin any action because we want to be happy, we are in any action because we are happy and we end any action because we want to be happy with some other action. That is, we live in happiness.
It is, therefore, rightly said, “The world has origin in happiness, the world resides in happiness (World is existing because it has capability to bring in happiness), and ultimately the world ends in happiness (In search of other avenues where happiness could be sought.)”
The logical inference follows: God is happiness.
God is the soul of soul. Because it is only through him we get all the energy that we need to do the work, to think, to see, to smell, to hear and so on.
The
fundamental difference between devotion and non-dualism
There is fundamental difference between these two disciplines. Adwaita or non-dualism lacks the beauty of love. Love needs Lover, Beloved, Love itself and Relationship (Father, mother, sister, husband and so on). Non-dualism takes a view that there are no two personalities existing, everything is I. There is no difference between God and I. Because of such view, possibility of developing love does not exist. The devotion, on the other hand, allows love to develop by allowing lover and beloved relationship between God and Soul.
Question 1: "Since Hinduism does not believe in the possibility of eternal punishment, wouldn't it make sense for people to manage their afterlife risk by betting against Hinduism and taking a long hard look at those religions or worldviews which do entertain that possibility?"
Let
us try to understand concept of Hindu philosophy in short. You will
find that the Hinduism deals with the basic motive of a living
organism and treats human being as one of the family member having
same traits as other living organisms with the possibility of
interchanging of the roles within the family. It states that the
basic instinct for any life is to seek happiness. Everyone is only
after his own happiness and not after anyone else’s happiness
through out all his life, through the different activities.
In order to reason, "Why everyone should seek happiness and not anything else?" you need an introduction to classical Indian Hindu Philosophy which states, "God is happiness and happiness is God. Happiness associated with God is Divine Happiness. Two important characteristic of divine happiness are that it is of infinite magnitude and that it never fades. It is eternal." The philosophy further states, "Every living organism is composed of two sections. One is soul or spirit that is divine in essence; the other one is frame in which soul resides. This frame is made of flesh, bones, bloods and many others. The frame is collectively called as body. Body aims to satisfy soul through all its paraphernalia which consists of intellect to make decisions, mind to create desires and to experience all sorts of feelings including happiness for soul and five senses - eyes for seeing, ears for hearing, tongue for tasting and for speaking, skin for touching and nose for smelling and inhaling. Because soul is divine in essence, it looks for happiness through mind, for divinity is associated with God which is nothing but happiness infinite. While God is infinitely big , soul is an extremely small element having all properties similar to that of God. Although soul is similar to God, it is not God himself. It is neither originated from God nor is the constituent of God. It is a separate entity."
You will notice that Hinduism does not make any distinction based on religion, caste, nation and so on, while defining soul. Soul is any living entity and therefore, all living organisms are covered under this definition. What you get in this life and after this life is governed by your own deeds, irrespective of religion and culture you belong to. Even to get birth in different religions and cultures is also governed by deeds.
The spiritual rules which are there are universal and they govern all souls. Whether you bet against Hinduism or not, you will be governed by those rules. Laws do not vanish just because someone refuses to acknowledge them. You will find it is true for scientific laws too. Scientific laws are in operation irrespective of refusal or non-refusal of their existence.
Not to acknowledge facts brings in trouble later, because correct solution cannot be worked out without knowing the facts. I, therefore, believe that to reduce the afterlife risks, study Hindu philosophy is essential. The reason being, Hindu religion believes in after life and moving of a soul through different species according to the deeds over which you have control right in this life. Hinduism thus helps reduction of after life risks because there are well-established rules that tell the direction which you could heading to.
Question2: What is Maya? Is it all powerful? Is Maya Emotions?
Maya is that power of God which hides God from us. The purpose is not to deprive us from the happiness that resides with God. Maya actually makes the living possible on this earth. No one can be more powerful than God. God is powerhouse of infinite powers. There are three types of powers. Internal powers, Neutral Powers and External powers. Maya is external power. Soul is Neutral Power and Divine Love, Divine Happiness etc all are internal powers. Maya being external power, it is lifeless. The vitality that you see in any living organism because of presence of soul is not there in Maya. Still Maya captures soul. Maya encompasses the complete world. Not only outer world, even inner mind is under influence of Maya. Maya had few important associates. They are. Kam (Sexual urge), Krodh (Anger), Lobh (Greed), Mad (intoxication), Matsar (jealosy) etc. Most important of all is Ahankar (Ego).
All
desires and therefore all emotions are result of Maya. Maya helps
mind to create desires so that it is possible for mind to fetch
happiness for soul. Well, to know expanse of Maya, the statement "The
limit up to which your intellect can understand, is all realm of
Maya" would be all right. Maya has been there from the beginning
and no one created it, including God. There is an important statement
in Gita, "Something, which does not exists, will never come into
existence and something, which is existing, will never cease to
exists." God does not create anything new. The sole purpose of
Maya is to direct soul towards its aim of seeking divine happiness.
Saint also does the same thing. Saint's way is through teaching while
Maya's way is through punishment. For example, it is only when you
suffer pains from some person, you realise that you were on the wrong
path. You leave that person and try to establish relationship with
other persons. Again, the same story repeats. Happiness is ever
eluding. Ultimately after many lives, individual decides to turn to
God. Thus, Maya serves a useful purpose. Actually when one does not
realise the presence of all-powerful, all-knowing, blissful God, he
or she is said to be under Maya - Away from God. As if there was a
curtain that prevented the sight of God.
War is always on. There are two opposing forces reside in our mind. One is temptation of lustful life and another is urge for divine experience. Whichever force is powerful, mind drifts that way. In this fight, we must nourish divine forces so that they are powerful enough to steer us through this painful Maya to the final abode of supreme bliss.
Question 3: How the next birth gets determined?
Like the packets of information travel according to the destination address written on them on the Internet, soul also has to travel according to the stamping that deeds create on the mind. According to the deeds, the address of destination changes and soul has to go to hell, to heaven, to God's abode or to earth either as human or as other living animal or plant. Well, packets cannot travel of their own, they need support of related hardware and software and of course electricity, similarly presence of God is essential to give the effect of deeds so that soul follows path according to its deeds and experiences sufferings and happiness, that is, happiness and sufferings are the effect of earlier deeds. So, there is cause and effect relationship between our deeds and experiences. Therefore, God is said to be controller and soul a controlled object.
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About getting to God.
There is one important consideration about having brain. Either you should be so intelligent that with your own intelligence you will discover that there is a world beyond reach of intelligence or you should be so dumb that you accept whatever a saint tells you and follow him without allowing any doubt to creep in your mind. Both can get God. People lying in between create doubts for themselves and others too and therefore, cannot succeed in getting God.
To be meek is not to rely on anyone other than God. Because no one likes meek person and no one accepts such person except God. God is very easily accessible to the meek persons. The world is after worldly possessions and meek person is devoid of all such possessions. It automatically follows that meek person will not get any support from anyone in this world. And God always supports such persons, who don't even rely on their own strength. Strength of strength less person is God. The condition is you should feel totally strength less and do not rely on anyone else's strength.
Happiness and Love
To me, everyone is in constant pursuit of happiness. In fact, each and every action of ours is directed to seek happiness. I think I have proved it beyond doubt in the very first page of the permanent solution. So the hypothesis is: Since you are in the pursuit of happiness, you will be in pursuit of happiness till you come across the happiness that will never recede. It is our common experience that the happiness that we receive thorough any of our actions, recedes. It doesn't stay there in the mind. Sooner or later its intensity drops to zero and you are forced look for happiness somewhere else. In this scenario, you will agree that there is no scope to love because love is to give happiness to others while we in search of our own happiness.
In order to love, one must seek such infinite happiness and then it is very easy to love others as you can distribute free of charge what you have earned.
To love is to give your life to your beloved, which is God. You have only one wish and that wish is to fulfill his wish. Love is the name of giving happiness to others. Therefore Love and happiness do not have existence without one another. Happiness is the base for even love to exist. If there were no infinite happiness, what love would give others? To me love and happiness are happiness itself. Love is the quality that finds happiness in beloved's happiness. Therefore, there is no cause and effect between love and happiness. Both of them are there since eternity without any cause and will remain till eternity without any cause. That is the definition of word SANATAN. Something, which is in existence since eternity, cannot have any cause.
If we take sufferings as grace of God, they reduce because grace really flows in by our faith in God.
Regarding getting influenced, persons who get influenced by saints, follow saints. Those who get influenced by materialistic persons follow material path. From childhood, everyone gets influenced by others. In fact, child learns through influence of surrounding people - parents, relations, friends, something that watches on TV and so on...
Different philosophies influence people. The ones who get influenced by correct philosophies, head to the divine world of God and those who don't end their life without getting any in sights of divine world, just to take birth and die again.
Dust Particles and Life
Life is like dust particles. A stream of air keeps floating dust particles in the air. They move along the direction of air. Settle somewhere for a while, once the wind stops. Again, another stream of air takes them along. There is no connection between dust particles. Just by chance, they come in contact with each other and separate again. Similarly, souls keep on floating as a cosmic dust in this universe, guided by their own deeds. There is no connection between souls. Just they settle in some life with some other souls. Those who realize this, develop relationship with God, those who don't keep getting guided by materialistic forces of money, power, prestige, position, lust and so on. Sufferings and birth in lower species is the outcome. Only the moments passed in remembrance of God are passed in some constructive work. Rest has no value rather it has negative value! Negative because these moments take you away from God.
Two Doers and Single Responsibility
There are two types doers. One is direct and another is indirect. For example, electricity makes computer work (indirect doer). However, the electricity is not responsible for the outcome of the software. Programmer or operator (direct doer) is responsible for outcome of software.
Similarly
God gives power to think, power to act, power to see, power to hear
and so on. The actual work of seeing, thinking is attributed to soul
or to the mind of the soul. Therefore, God is not responsible for
outcome of our deeds, we are responsible for it and we do get effects
accordingly, which is our experience.
Although it is true that God forgives and set us free of our debts of our sin, such pardon is not given without any base. Had it been the case (pardon to all irrespective of whatever one does), everyone would have been without sufferings by now. The base for pardon is pure heart. Even bible confirms this view. "Those who are pure in heart shall see God."
O! Krishna!
Pour
your love
Like rain pours
With exciting thundering and
lightening
So is your lightening touch
Glances and sweet words
Of thundering emotions!
O! Make me wet
Both body and
mind
Let it drench in
The loving shower of
Your unending
love!
Dream merchant
Shyam
Brings you the dreams
A dream life of dreams
The life
becomes dream!
Dream of love
Dream of being divine
Dream
of loving life
Deram of beyond griefs
O! Dream mercahnt
Shyam
Light at least my dreams
If not life!
Love for all…
Love for
all
Love in all
Love is the force
That even binds God
More you
love Krishna
More he becomes loving!
More he becomes
loving
More you love him!
Useless Diamond
The Same job
Assigned to everyone
Seek God
As fast as you can!
The
diamond in hand
Without value known!
To kid games are more
enjoying
Joy of beautiful girl not known!
We are in the same
boat
Joy of beautiful God not known!
I was sitting
alone
On riverbank
You passed nearby
I had to follow the
suit.
Beautiful dark blue complexion
Dark and attractive
curls of hair
Mind gets entangled
Like a fish in the net.
The
colourful peacock feather
Waving merrily with air
Takes mind
along
Like free ship on the waves
Orange lines on the
forehead
Striking lightening in the air
Gripping mind with
loving air
With lightening exhilaration
What to say
Beautiful artistic eye brows
Mystic magical eyes
To look
once in them
And lose mind for all the time
The elixir that
rays out
When you eyes move
To indicate me
To follow
you.
You did the trick
You only can save
From going to
brink
I sold myself to you
You carry me alive
or leave me
dead!
Life is of days four
Short Story of Life
One day passes
in childhood
Second one in youth
Third in senility
Death
arrives on day fourth
That makes the story of life!
Meaning of
Life
To be wise
is to realise
End is approaching
And thereby avoiding
wasting
This meaningful life!
What is the meaning?
Where is
the happiness?
Little thinking can bring out
Meaning real of
meaningful life!
Meaning that saints get
And meaning that we
get
Wide apart is the gap
A bridge of thinking
Pillars of
spiritual practice
You get the meaning?
To get the same
perception of this world as saint’s view, one need to think on the
brevity of the life and ponder over important question of existence
of happiness and meaning of life. Spiritual practice and knowledge of
spiritual theory are essential to close the gap between two
perceptions.
To fall in spiritual love
One needs to fall
In the ocean of
divine love
Waters of divine love
Which are clear and
pure
Require heart also
To be clear and pure
Devoid of any
glare
Of selfish desire!
You are in me
I
am in you
Still to see you separate
The joy gets
expression!
Expression of vision
Expression of
sound
Expression of touch!
The beauty you possess
The
music you play
The melodious songs
Sweet and tipsy words
And
Soft featherlike touch!
I need you separate from me!
Fools
seek salvation
Mingling of Soul and God
Without any
expression!
Sunshine white
The rainbow is enjoying
The
colorful display
Separate apperance the key!
Conversation
1: Love is Need based.
shreeradha:
radhe radhe
A: Krishna,
A: how are you,
shreeradha: u know
there is a song.... Go on saying Radhe, Krishna will follow you. Fine
thank u. how r u?
A: how beautiful,
A: yes,
A: Krishna can't
live withut Radhe,
A: and Radhe without Krishna,
shreeradha:
right
A: so were ever radhe goes, krishna goes,
A: such a
beauty,
shreeradha: right!
A: indeed love is
beautiful,
shreeradha: there nothing more beautiful than love !
A:
yes, divine love,
A: all love is divine,
A: one we become
divine
A: all love becomes divine,
shreeradha: No. Love that
has infinite magnitude is divine
A: how you know,
shreeradha:
Because finite loves ends one day. That is the meaning of word finite
but divine love never recedes, so it is infinite
A: is what I
mean,
A: but love transcends everything,
shreeradha: even
death
A: I have nurtured squirrels,
A: and felt their love
A:
and I loved them as my children
A: I have nurtured plants,
A:
and felt their love,
shreeradha: all material living beings do
exhibit love.
shreeradha: but their love is not pure
shreeradha:
in the sense that
shreeradha: their love is based on what they
get
A: you think
shreeradha: yes?
shreeradha: what i
think?
A: that they feel love based on need,
A: do
we?
shreeradha: right. if need is fulfilled, love is, we develop
love
A: so how we develop love of God?
A: based on what
need?
shreeradha: initially yes!
shreeradha: as heart gets more
n more pure
shreeradha: divine loves comes in
A: Ok, and
then?
shreeradha: when heart is 100%pure, mind becomes divine by
grace of guru
shreeradha: and then one gets pure divine love
A:
how is that guru gives divine mind?
shreeradha: because guru has
infinite power at his disposal. Therefore he can turn our mind into
divine one. For such transformation, heart must be completely pure.
To purify heart we first do Sadhana of developing love for God.
A:
ok,
A: I understand ,
A: thank you.
Where
do we lose?
Given that the human life is precious one, we still find it difficult to strive for God. How do we lose the game?
First
loss: Our attachments to our family members and putting them
above the direction of a saint.
Second loss: Do not keep
promises given to saints.
Third
loss: Keep company
of people who keep on speaking against saint and God. This, to
certain extent, can be minimized if one is firm enough and ignores
such comments.
Fourth
loss: You start
thinking against saint. There ends your road to your beloved Shyam!
The Golden
Rule
Whether or not, you accept rulebook of God, whatever you are getting is outcome of His rules.
If you see the world order, everything is governed by rules. Sun, earth, moon everything in the cosmic system have certain set of rules. Biological life is also governed by rules. God has one golden rule, those who surrender, get eternal and infinite happiness. That rule is obvious because only total surrender is the only sign of 100% pure heart through which such happiness can unleash.
Yes! God is always there to help. He has one more rule:
If you take one step towards him, he takes 60 steps towards you.
If you try to be a wooden stick (adamant), he is like a iron rod!
Dicing Love is Love for All?
This club welcomes all who are desirous of seeking divine love. Divine love by its definition means love for God. Since God resides in all humans and in all souls, love for humanity and love for mute animals is natural outcome of it. Divine love is of infinite magnitude and such love is when practiced through romantic mood brings you eternal happiness of highest level in spiritual realm. There just one condition for it, you should be happy in your beloved's happiness whatever he does. In this case beloved being God, he cannot do anything wrong anytime. One needs to have faith.
Stealing
Heart of Heart Stealer
Mori
bhorisi kishori Tanu Gori ras Bori Chori Chori Chit Chori Chit Chor
hu ki chori! (By Maharajaji)
My Cute Radha
Fair colour
And Fully charming
Steals stealthily
Heart of the heart stealer!
(Radha steals heart of that Krishna who steals hearts of souls)
Kame Preme Bahut
Antar
Kam Andh Tam Prem Nirmal Bhaskar!
- Gaurang Mahaprabhu <
Love and Lust
are world apart
Love is pure and clear sunshine
Lust is dark
and dreaded night!
Kanhaiya Nahi Tajiho! Gaiya Tajyo, Bhaiya
Tjyo, Bapp Aur Maiya Tajyo, Daiya Tajyo.... Kanhaiya Nahi Tajihon! (A
Song)
I will not leave Shyam. I will leave everything, father,
mother, brother, sister, husband, everyone. I will not leave
Kanhaiya. (Because I Love him)
Hide N seek
God hides
soul seeks and enjoys
the sought treasure
that
was lost
There is no
doubt whatsoever about all pervading nature of God. Even Guru can
take care even sitting on the top of Himalayas.
To awaken is no way a difficult job. It is very easy and simple. Just go on singing his (God) glories. Do it and see the difference yourself!
Only one
sentiment
The sentiment called love
The beloved is vitality of
life
And love vitalize the life
You are so vital
For my life
my love!
Doomed!
Love
flows
Like the river dances
Gripping mind and soul
Without
any relief
Even for a
second!
Heart cries for you
Tells you through eyes
Inviting
you are all my tears!
Where am I heading?
At your total
mercy,
You kill or save
I think of you forever!
That is
my weakness!
The nonstop flow of your thoughts
Even though I
know
You are the one who flirts with all!
Oh! I'm
doomed
There is no way out
Just I call you
O! Krishna! Hi!
Krishna!
Pleasure in your eyes
Is my life
How do I allow
My life
to depart?
Pain in your eyes
Is pain of death for me!
How
do I allow
Death of myself?
(I
seek your happiness because it is your happiness, which keeps me
alive.)
Only that heart can be cheerful, which is absorbed in thoughts of our divine beloved - God!
O Shyama, if one gets dust of your feet, what to speak of Maya (this world), he will throw even salvation to the dustbin! (Original in Hindi by Maharajaji)
A Story
related to Gaurang Mahaprabhu
Gaurang Mahaprabhu said
Trina Dapi Sunichen
Tarorapi
Sahishnunam
Amanniya Man Deyam
Kirtaniyam Sada Hari
Be
more humble than blade of Grass
Be more tolerant than tree
Never
expect respect from others
Give respect to all
Keep on
remembering Shri Krishna all the time!
Prabhu is your beloved and you are his darling!
There is a story associated with Lord Gaurang. He wrote a beautiful commentary on one of the ancient Hindu scriptures. He was carrying his written document in a ferryboat. He read it out to his friend who was also traveling along with him. After reading was over, Gaurang saw his friend was crying. "What is the matter? My commentary is not good?" asked Gaurang. "No, in fact it is fantastic, the best I have ever read." said his friend. "Why are you crying then?" Gaurang enquired. "You know, I have also written a commentary on the same scripture. I thought it was excellent. After listening to yours, my commentary looks like very ordinary one and no one is going to read my commentary, every one will read yours. That's why I feel nervous." Gaurang Mahaprabhu said, "Is that all? Look, I throw my book in the river." And Gaurang, just to please his friend, threw his book into the river. What a love for friend! I am sure it not possible for any material person to exhibit such love! So kind and so compassionate and always ready to please his devotees, such was Lord Gaurang! All glories to Lord Gaurang!
Body
of Happiness
God
is happiness incarnate. The happiness itself assumes a body, which we
call Shri Krishna or God. His eyes are made of happiness, ears of
happiness, skin of happiness, hair of happiness so he is happiness in
and out and that is too never-ending happiness, never-ending
excitement, never-ending thrill. To seek God is to seek such
boundless happiness. To be happy forever!
O! Krishna! I love
you! Whatever you do to me, I'll love you. If you want to continue
till eternity, I accept the challenge!
LOVE is
Living On Volcanic Emotions! :)
When
it erupts, 'I' is also buried in the heap.
Only thing that remains
is beloved and his wish!
Lamp of love shows the way towards God
Love is the source of Life!
Busy mind
Busy mind
In your thoughts
Where is place
For sound
sleep?
Eyes wait open
For your sight
Where is scope
To
shut and rest?
The restlessness
Being without you
The only
rest
Is being with you!
After seeing you
There is a Hindi song..
Tum ko dekha to ye khayal Aaya
Jindagi Dhoop tum Ghana Saya!
After seeing you I felt
The world is scorching sun
And you a soothing shadow!
The whole issue
That is the whole issue. Everyone wants to be happy whichever way it is. The problem is people don't understand how to seek happiness and therefore, adopt sinful ways.
Never-fading
happiness is there only with God and to experience such happiness
purification of heart is essential.
My
contention is the sole motive behind any action is to seek happiness.
That does not justify the action itself. Sinful minds can be diverted
to God if one knows the real effect of such actions. The objective of
The Permanent Solution is to impress the need to seek God.
Club
Rules
I give ample of scope for improvement before banning anyone. I request to follow following tacit rules of this club
1. Only upto
4 posts by a member per day
2. No XXX.. rated postings
3. No
personal attacks on anyone else from club or not from the club
4.
No slanderous and obscene language
5. Posts to be related to
divine love and not related to Yoga and Gyan.
Regarding
calling you Charlie Chaplin, it was outcome of your lighter poems.
Why not post messages, which everyone can understand, rather than
boasting of intricate meanings? The great things are essentially
simple ones to grasp and understand otherwise they cannot be great
because no one will be able to grasp their greatness. I like your
pseudo names because they do remind everyone of Krishna and Radha.
But you should not work to destroy the club under these beautiful
names. God offers shelter to all sinful persons. Since I'm working
under the name of divine love, I too do not ban you from this club,
just that I can tell you should not post at this club site if you do
not wish to abide by the above rules.
Hope that you will not have
any hard feelings!
Vrindavan
Vrindavan is capital where Radha rules and Krishna serves, like a purchased slave!
Saints are also angels in human form. Isn't it?
Personality
types suitable for spirituality
A class of people does not offer any room for others in their life. They do not allow their possessions to be used by other persons. There is no scope for anyone to interfere in his or her life. So they are closed to both other material persons and spiritual persons. And obviously they can never turn spiritual.
2. Second class of people offers charity to everybody they
come across, material and spiritual persons alike. Although they are
better than earlier class, still they cannot make substantial
spiritual progress because of lack of concentrated efforts.
3. Another
class of people is selective. They allow only material persons in
their life. And there is no chance of any spiritual upliftment.
4. Fourth
class of people is also selective. They allow only spiritual persons
to occupy space in their mind. They will listen and get guided only
by spiritual persons. These are the ones who advance spiritually.
Hope
I
have always felt that many times that we lose the opportunity because
we are not aware of what opportunity is presented to us. I do agree
that to become spiritual is not an easy job. However, human life,
which is spent in the hope of getting happiness from this world, ends
only pains and distress. I have argued earlier that happiness
originates within mind. If mind loses capacity of generating
happiness, one cannot be happy whatever amount of luxury is provided.
If you are standing on bridge, which is constantly subjected to wear,
a day comes when one falls in deep valley over which the bridge is
constructed. Similarly condition of mind goes on deteriorating on
constant intake of materialistic happiness and a moment comes when
one drops down the valley of hell where all of a sudden he or she has
to suffer to the extent to which no one would like to suffer. After
getting such a jolt, mind regains some of its power of generating
happiness and birth is given in the lower species. Slowly and slowly,
after passing through millions of species, mind regains the power of
generating happiness through human life. Therefore, hope of getting
happiness or satisfaction from this life should be replaced by hope
of seeking spiritual happiness. What I am trying to make out is one
must first study the situation, its limitation and then only one
should build some hope, so that he or she is not subjected to
frustration, despair at a later stage.
Everyone has right to
hope. True. Only thing is hope should be in the right direction. The
hope that you will get butter from white water made of chalk will
lead to despair some day while the hope of getting butter from milk
of cow will materialize one day. Therefore, optimism is welcome only
that it should be directed into proper channel
We are not evolved to be happy?
You say, "We are not evolved to be happy. If we were happy all the time, we would not strive for anything."
That exactly is the point. Here we talk of what are we exactly after? Is it a pain? Is it sufferings? Well, if they are there, we try to get rid of them. Nevertheless, the situation is not something desirable. The spiritual argument stresses this very point. We are after removal of all sort of sufferings or still better, we are in search of a state, which once attained will not deviate again from the thrill and excitement. How to get to that state? This one question and you have variety of disciplines: Psychology, Philosophy, Spirituality, Engineering, Technology, Science and so on. Everyone, through whatever he chooses, tries to search the exactly same thing - the happiness, excitement, thrill, enjoyment or satisfaction whatever you name it! Search can end only if one lays down his hands on a kind of happiness that stays forever. Otherwise another search starts. One can never come out of the cycle of the searches, one search after another without any end. It is obvious then the permanent happiness must infinite so that it would never recede. What psychology deals in? Why a person gets engaged into what he is doing? Different actions one Goal - Joy, Peace, Satisfaction, Thrill, Excitement...
Am I right?
If you leave every thing to God, he can conquer everything for you. If you try to conquer everything, some thing would always be left as every attribute has infinite expanse and there are infinite attributes.
Search
I reside in you
You reside in me
Where is the need for
search?
Oh! Search is necessary
Butter resides in milk
Milk
resides in butter
But to separate butter from milk
Churning is
necessary!
So resides God in our mind
To see him separate in
person
Churning of mind is necessary!
Dice of life!
Every one lives life to die! Only few cast dice of their life in the pursuit of God and dye their life with immortal love-dye! Aren't we, in the process of enjoying the life, inching towards the death? The issue of end of life can never addressed through the materialistic life!
The little thought of loving God is the biggest thought that one can think of.
Two aspects of working of a mind
There are two aspects of working of a mind.
1. To account for some thing that was done in past. This comes to you in the form of presentation of sufferings, happiness, opportunities, threats etc.
2. To effect a change in the mind so that it thinks in a certain way in future.
To experience sufferings is in itself is a deed. Now, while mind is subjected to sufferings, if mind does not try to think of God, it will think of this world. If mind thinks of this world, it accumulates further dirt and cannot be purified. If mind thinks of God, it has cleaning effect and one advances to wards God. Thus, sufferings itself cannot purify heart unless sufferings are supplemented by remembrance of God. Sufferings can only account for our misdeeds in past.
Our action also brings about a change in our mind. Every action that we perform makes the instinct of the same behaviour stronger each time. Thus we are forced to perform the same kind of action in future. Thus our past deeds decide our tendency to act or react.
To be more precise,
1. Presentation of sufferings or happiness is not something over which one has control
2. How to react to situation is in one’s control.
The second factor also has two divisions:
1. Mind’s tendency to react according to past deeds
2. Element of fresh control over tendency of mind. This is the factor, which needs to be stronger to exercise control over mind, otherwise, reverse happens: Mind controls you. Only divine practice or remembrance of God can make this factor stronger and therefore, spiritual progress is not possible without remembrance of God.
Love: To give. To donate. To put beloved's happiness above your own happiness. To link your happiness to your beloved's happiness. If your beloved is happy, you are happy. You live for your beloved not for you.
Business: Give and take. To put beloved's happiness at par with your happiness. To some extent, delink your happiness from beloved's happiness. If you are making him happy, you expect your happiness in return. You live for your beloved and for yourself. It is usually 50:50 relationship.
Selfishness: To take. To put your happiness above beloved's happiness. To completely delink your happiness from beloved’s happiness. If you are happy, that is the end of the story. You are not worried whether your beloved is happy or not. You live for yourself and not for your beloved.
Love is Give and
Give
Business is Give and Take
Lust is Take and Take
(By
Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji)
Our job is to think, to decide, to act
Rest is in hands of God.
No one on the
earth
Thinks of living without you
After seeing you!
What to
say then
After receiving love from you?
Defilement
Defilement! What is the origin of defilement? As a newborn, mind appears to be quite pure. Not even a trace of deceit! What makes it impure as it grows? Why God waits till mind gets defiled? The issue is not so easy to address! The origin of all defilement lies in not spending enough time on thinking over basic issues.
1.
If there is mind (and no one objects its presence), why it is not
visible by human eyes even with strongest of microscope?
2.
Is it the outer form of body that decides state of mind or state of
mind decides the outer form of body?
3. Who experiences all
feelings?
4.
What God aims through this world, which one can see as full of
injustice and atrocities?
5. Why only some suffer? Why not
others?
6. What is source of life?
There
could few more. None of these questions can be answered unless one
deals with infinity. One thing is certain that if the mind is not
provided with sufficient justification for taking up spiritual path,
it would never live this world which it finds enjoyable.
Love:
Some points
One more clarification - Love is supreme not only in all emotions but also in all ways to God and it is independent of any other requirement. It does not require any help from meditation, from knowledge, from yoga or from karma. Everyone knows how to love. Just one needs to channel it into realm of God. The object of love has been so for from material world. Just change to God. Nothing more is required to seek God! So easy!
God always love people who are modest and humble!
Asundar Sundar Shekharova
Guneir Vihino Guninam
Varova
Dweshi Mayitsyat Karunam Budhriva
Krishnasya Awadya
Gatir Mamayam
Beautiful or not beautiful
Virtuous or
without any virtues
Hating or loving
Krishna only is my
destination!
Another one by Gaurang Mahaprabhu:
Na Dhanan
Na Janan Na Sundari
Kavita va Jagadish Kamaye
Mam janmani
janmani Jagadishware
Bhawatat Bhkti Raheituki Twayi
No
wealth No relation No beautiful girls
No skills I desire O Lord!
Nor I desire to
cross Maya
Just I wish life after life, let there be love for you
Without any
selfish taint!
Divine Love, in that case, can be seen as
infinite ropes coming down from the only source of LOVE - God. Every
one is climbing to its destination - God. There are other ropes too,
which lead to other destinations. The moment you distract your
attention to other ropes, you slide down as your grip loosens. So, to
keep the rope tight one must constantly think of God till the
destination is reached.
Hold me fast
How do I forget
Hot memories of soft touch
It comes to me
over and over, again and again!
Touch that was soft
Made my life hard
How can you be so hard
When you speak so soft!
Don't be so hard
Please be soft
And hold me fast
Close to your heart!
Stranger!
Even ladies of Vrindavan (a village where Krishna lived) tell Lord, "Touch me not!" However, there is no validity in the argument that they propose. Their argument is, "I am from a good family, I am married and I do not indulge in love with a third person who is not my husband. My husband is mine; my children are mine so I love them. I don't love a stranger!” The reply is, "Krishna is no way stranger to anyone. He resides in every heart! He, therefore, very much yours! Even life of soul is the result of presence of God in the heart. Life comes first then all relations. Since life is also a gift from Krishna, he is our father and mother. Because he does not leave us even for a fraction of a moment, He is our beloved too! Thus, there is no point in giving the argument of 'Third person' when it comes to God! That is, one must love him without any hesitation!"
Worldly relations are different. In this world, extramarital relationship is a crime but when it comes to Krishna, it becomes the best possible deed! Some one asked Shankarcharya (one of the greatest philosophers India had) , "Which is the action, when performed, never causes repentance for performing that action?" The reply was, "If someone loves Krishna, he or she will never have to repent for what he or she had done!" So this 'Touch me not' actually means 'Touch me quick and hold me fast!' It is the way to incite Krishna in doing what is intended by telling him to do exactly opposite! There are some personalities, which find pleasure in doing exactly opposite of what is being told; the lady of Vrindavan has, by now, analyzed Krishna very well and, therefore, tells him ‘Touch me not’ so that Krishna makes it a point to touch her by hook or crook!
Dull days
Days travel with
pace of snail
Nights competes with days
World seems to be
standstill
Time as if not inching!
Wind is not blowing
Rivers
are not flowing
Oh! To counter stillness
Tears are
continuously flowing
And heart is constantly sighing!
Where is
the pain? What is ailing?
In your absence, I am almost
fainting!
Come running
Put life in the heart that is dieing!
A Prayer
You are my
only mother
You are my only father
You are my only brother
You
are my only friend
You are my only knowledge
You are my only
wealth
O! God! You only are everything to me!
ORIGINAL
SANSKRIT:-
Twamwv Mata ch
Pita Twamev
Twamev Bandhus
ch
Sakha Twamev
Twamwv Vidya
Dravidm Twamev
Twamev
Sarvam Mam Dev Dev!
Today is Bakari Id. Muslims pray-
La Ila Il lil lil la
Mohamdar Rasulalla
(There no God other than Allah.. That does
not mean Allah does not have any other name!.. And Mohammad is his
only messenger.. Maybe at that time...) This line does not give any
right to Muslims to go on destroying places of worship of other
religions!
Radha
Beautiful crown over head
Forehead with decorated bindi
The
fascinating eyebrows
Like a neatly drawn bow
Over enchanting
eyelids!
Loving expressions
Comes fore
Like a fountain of
water
With rainbow colors!
How to find parallel
To eyes that
sparkle
With glow of love
Diamonds you wear
Vie with
eyes
Just to accept
Eyes cannot be vied!
Red and attractive
lips
Lock white pearls of teeth
Smile opens the reservoir
The
exquisite treasure
So is Radha whose servant is Krishna!
Cover of Maya
Cover of Maya: cover of Maya is that cover, which hides divinity of God. As i told you earlier, impure state of mind cannot sustain divine happiness. Maya presents God in such a way that mind can make some sense out of it and strive for seeking divine happiness through purification of heart.
Your Eyes
Your eyes are not eyes
When they open
You don't see but
attack
Survival is stake of everyone across.
... Your eyes are
so attractive and your looks are so entertaining that when your eyes
are open and when the whole charm passes to my heart, I cannot
sustain it. The attack of love, through your eyes, makes my heart
filled with such an excitement that it refuses to work if you are not
near by! My survival is now at stake because of unbearable joy! What
should I do? And this is condition of everyone in Vrindavan!
"Well,
don’t worry, the one, who is making you excited, will also give you
power to sustain that happiness! Don’t be afraid to look directly
into his (ShriKrishna’s) eyes."
Happiness, Logic etc..
The area of search of happiness should be divine. It is not possible to have butter from water made white by dissolving white chalk in it although it looks very much like milk. In the same way, although it appears that happiness is present in this world, it is not there at all! It is actually available only in divine realm.
When someone concentrates on dresses, it is obvious that one is concentrating on physical body rather than divine soul. The spirituality is attainable only if requirements of soul are given importance. In that case, one would dress as simple as possible, so as to avoid attention of troublemakers. If mind is not at peace, spiritual practice is difficult.
If you haven't come across any true saint, it does not mean that there are no true saints on the earth. Not seeing cannot be the proof of non-existence but seeing is the proof of existence. Through all these posts, I'm trying to focus on the very basic need of any living organism - to be happy! This is the only instinct that puts man or woman or any other organism into action. One can come to rest only if this purpose of being happy is served all the time. It is obvious to serve this purpose of being happy forever; happiness that remains forever is essential. To attain such happiness, one needs to be spiritual. Think of the happiest moment of your life. The exhilarating state of that moment I refer to as exciting state! If you multiply it by infinite and if that happiness remains with you forever, it is divine happiness. This happiness is God.
Forget all material, divine! I make following statements tell me if they are logically correct or not!
1. Mind tries to seek happiness (Any doubt? Refer to permanent solution on founder's home page.)
2. There is no happiness in the material world that stays with us permanently.
3. Mind keeps on trying again and again but it is never successful in getting infinite happiness!
4. If mind were successful in attaining such happiness, which stays forever, it would stop trying any further because happiness is what mind is looking for.
5. Although God is present with his infinite happiness in this material world, we do not come across such happiness in any object and, therefore, the division of material and divine becomes essential!
Breaking the power of Maya.
“What are we supposed to be learning through our different life cycles…. Is breaking the power of Maya the same for everyone?”
No learning is possible in lives other than human. They are just lives to live, to bear the fruits of what was done when in human life! Breaking power of Maya is possible only if God decides to lift the cover of Maya from the soul out of his grace. His grace depends on surrender! Degree of surrender depends on degree of purity of heart and degree of purity depends on the spiritual practice as directed by saint. To break the power of Maya, one has to concentrate on spiritual practice. Any practice needs theory so does the spiritual practice!
What is new?
Every look at you
Bring out something new
New excitement?
New joy?
New happiness?
Yes! what is new?
There is something more to be new!
More excitement?
More joy?
More happiness?
Yes! But not very correct!
The quality is new!
Better excitement
Better joy
Better happiness!
Yes! But not very correct!
More love
More affection
More liking!
O! No! How to describe?
O! What is new?
Everything is new!
Alas! There is no new word
To describe something new!
Death helps avoid Death?
It seems that members won't reach any agreement on it. The diversity of opinions is because different persons have different perspectives. Although it is a fact that no one has ever survived from the time from which we know the history, no one is serious about death’s approaching as days pass on. There are saints who claim 'God is the only way to surpass this barrier'. What is surprising is although we don't have any alternative to it, our deep-rooted habits are strong enough not to make us believe in saints and God. Sex, eating, games and everything else other than God is pleasing to mind. It refutes all logic and gives importance one’s own thinking over that of saints’. People cannot conceive the idea that God is eternal and infinite happiness- the happiness that is far superior to any worldly happiness! The life is over but belief is firm – there is happiness in sex, in games, in wine, in friends! It never dies! Remember, when dies the belief that there is happiness in the world, mind takes look at the other alternative - God! Thus, the death of belief of happiness in this world prevents the death of person! The truth is either material belief has to die or the person, who carries this belief, has to die! It is extremely sad that in most cases the person dies and the belief remains intact even in the deathbed!
The essence of astrology is to know what could be there in store in future, as you said, through careful analysis various forces and factors. It does not have any effect on mind itself. The basic problem is satisfaction cannot stick to the mind for long due to impure state of mind. This need of being happy keeps everyone engaged in some activity or other. Activities like looking into the future do not address the basic problem. Such activities might bring in temporary happiness. The short-lived happiness rather aggravates the situation by making the mind more impure. Astrology is not the answer. Meditation is again concentration, which mind finds difficult to achieve. Devotion on other hand allows mind to work in its most enjoyable way - through love. Love is something, which every mind approves. The outcome of meditation is that one gets to see Lord sitting in front for time infinite as one sees Lord in one's own heart while practicing mediation. The practice of meditating on some point or other material object is again useless as it fails to purify mind. Devotion takes you the place where Lord behaves as one's beloved. There is no barrier of any sort between soul and God. All senses can have experience of God. Soul can talk to God, see him, hear him, and touch him. Soul can have lively conversation with God. Even there are games to play. It is all together a different world, where rivers of divine happiness are continuously flowing and soul is immersed in divine excitement all the time!
Genome!
What is surprising is the resemblance of Gene is ascribed to EVOLUTION! Genes of two brothers are very similar BUT THEY DO NOT EVOLVE FROM EACH OTHER! Another way to explain is as atoms and molecules are not evolved from each other, although they have a lot of similarities in them, living beings too are not evolved from each other. It is true that atoms and molecules being inanimate they disintegrate and reform because there is no loss of life involved in case of protons and other such particles, but evolution is something different! If one can imagine random changes from Horse to Man then one can also equally imagine random changes from Man to Horse! If changes are in one direction, they are not random and in such cases owing to similarity of genes of a particular species, all of them should get converted to next one! That has not happened! Why today can't you see any such evolution? Why it has stopped at man? There is absolutely no proof that there was emergence of different species from the existing one! The arrangement or speculation based on similarities cannot be taken as proof! If someone says so, I think he or she should be sent to mental asylum!
Eyes of God
Eyes of God
One
cannot eye
Unless one has eye
of pure heart!
God has
eyes
In thousands and thousands
There is no eye
To eye eyes
of God!
Eye which can see God
The eye of saint
Is eye of
outdated man
In the eye of common man!
Open up the eye
See
the eyes of God
In your own eye!
Your eyes-II
Your eyes are
not eyes
When they open
Two needles are out
Stitching
attention of everyone across!
Your eyes are not eyes
When
they open
Two radiating cubes of uranium open
Crippling
vitality of everyone across!
Your eyes are not eyes
When
they open
Two viruses of love are out
Making diseased everyone
across!
Your eyes are not eyes
When they open
Two
magnates are out
Fastening eyes of everyone across!
Your eyes are
not eyes
When they open
Two showers of love open
Making
lovesick everyone across!
As you will see it, soul is also divine entity which is why our eyes are not able to perceive it. The only way is to purification of mind.
When God is there 'I' is not there
When 'I' is there God is not
there
Love lane is very narrow
There is no place for two at the
same time!
– A saint
Lord Buddha wanted to make one of his followers a preacher. Buddha
asked him
'What if no one attends your lectures?'
'I will
still continue it as service to Lord!'
'What if people use
abusive language?'
'I will make use of it to improve my
endurance'
'What if people beat you?'
'I'll be happy that some
parts of my body are offered to God in his service'
'What if
people kill you?'
'I will still be happy as my life is offered to
God in his service'
If no one listens to good preaching, it is not an excuse to stop. One should also realise that in absence of such posts, people will never get to know right practices.
Radha n Krishna
If God when alone is so attractive, if he becomes two as he does when he assumes two forms One Krishna and another Radha, one can only think how enjoyable could both of them to others! Therefore, is advised that devotional practice should include both Radha and Krishna.
You are everything to me!
Your beautiful gestures
Like beautiful luscious pastures
Mind keeps grazing
The unending pleasures!
Thick and curly hair
and in it beautiful flowers
Like a charming forest
With a fully blossomed fair!
Fragrance of your hair
Like perfume in air
Invite me in a love affair!
Cute lovely face is out
Like a full moon in the night
Cool pleasant moonlight
Brings everyone delight!
Thoughts revolve you around
Like a butterfly
Mind goes you around
Round and round and round!
Why away?
What pleasure you get
By being away from me
You only
know
Because I know
You equally love me!
Your eyes-I
Your eyes are not eyes
When they open
You don't see but attack
Survival is at stake of everyone across!
Your eyes are not eyes
When they open
Two traps are open
Trapping thinking of everyone across!
Your eyes are not eyes
When they open
Two sharp swords are out
Cutting hearts of everyone across!
Your eyes are not eyes
When they open
Two bottles of unending wine open
Making tipsy everyone across!
Lost Freedom!
Love is without language
Though it speaks
Through eye glances!
Glances that are sidelong
Capture the heart for lifelong
No longer one can forget
Closed is the free world gate!
Who will try free whom?
Everyone under the same spell!
Captured mind is also infected
Everyone has accepted
Better always to be captivated!
Easy way
Words without
love
A cup without water
Where to quench thirst
Only where
there is love!
Through love is
way to God
Through words is way to deception!
Name of God with
mind in world
Name of God without love
Like a cloud without
rain!
To get drenched
in love
Go where love rains
In the abode of divine Saints!
Blessings
I am in no way a saint to offer any blessings! Even saints or God cannot offer blessings without any ground. As you will see, had it been possible to offer blessings at free will, there would have been no sufferings left on the earth. I am also very much busy these days with my on going PhD work and with this large community that I founded. You can always provide link to
http://www.yahoo.com/shreeradha after clicking into the site one can read about what I have to say of God and related issues. Everyone is after seeking cure. The point where one must apply the force is different. Sufferings are outcome of ill-framed desires and they need to be controlled at the point of origin - mind. In this process, you will need assistance from a divine saint. I have been going to the Ashram of Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji for about 20 years and I don't have any hesitation in recommending anyone to approach him for spiritual guidance. Wish you best luck on your spiritual path.
Desolate Heart
Desolate heart trying to find consolation
That there could my eyes
Suffering from some disease
Could not spot your sight!
Faint eyes trying for your vision
Shed tears to bring clarity!
There is some trouble with my eyes
For you won't leave me
In this desolate plight!
So loving was your disposition
So assuring were your words
Hardly can I believe
You are away from me!
You must be somewhere near
Problem must be with my eyes!
Guruji
Drop all load and shed all ego
Get relieved and feel lighter
In the company of a Saint!
Guru is the
only well-wisher
The competent Master
Will see you through
This deadly spell!
Seek his blessing
The earlier the
better
For only through his grace
You will find any divine
trace!
Conversation-2: Spiritual Practice, Saint
Shreeradha: See practice is essential part
M: yes, I do agree with that
Shreeradha: Discussion and theories cannot expel doubt as spiritual practice and spiritual experience can. Remember one important point, mind will always find explanation to experiences rather than only to theories.
M: I agree with that also.....I do admit that I am somewhat analytical and I am always looking for answers...something I can understand
Shreeradha: Particularly about God and related subjects, answers can be sought only up to certain limit
Shreeradha: because whole subject of God deals with infinity and brain does not have capacity to deal with infinity.
Shreeradha: That is why the philosophy of surrender is important.
M: tell me about this philosophy of surrender
Shreeradha: It says don't ask why of any actions of God. You will understand them only after reaching certain state of purification of heart. God and Saint deal with infinity because of which their actions are incomprehensible to human brain. To surrender is to do as Saint prescribes without raising any doubt. And majority of saints of India reached their sainthood through obeying another saint.
M: Who are the Saints
Shreeradha: Saints are the persons who have acquired this infinite power of experiencing infinite happiness and infinite knowledge. Like God they can also view your infinite past and guide you accordingly to achieve your permanent goal.
Intoxication
Intoxication of wine
Recedes after time
Intoxication of love divine
Increases from time to time!
In the ocean of wine divine
Infliction is also wine
and remedy is also wine!
Consolation and infliction
Infliction and consolation
Keep on moving round and round
In the ocean of love divine!
Ego
So simple a job
Infinite time is lost
Everyone says
Problem is ego!
Every action is through ego
Even solution is through ego
How you get rid of ego?
True solution has no place for ego!
Only way is to accept
Pure ego as your ego
Ego derived from God
Pure ego of saints
Takes us beyond Ego!
Saints ego is altruistic ego
Rest ego is selfish ego!
Sanity lies in accepting to work
According to saint's ego!
If ego does not allow
To work according to divine saint
At the end of all anti-ego dose
You will find trapped
In endless cycle of increased ego!
Do not allow ego to be a barrier
In getting rid of ego!
Task is difficult
Still achievable
Way is to work
According to Saint's powered ego!
Explanation
Knowledge comes from within
Lips mutter words
Poets try wording a concept
Word is not knowledge
Knowledge comes from within
Experience comes from within
Experience is knowledge
Beyond word is practice
There is age old saying
Practice brings perfection
Experience comes from within!
Practice is indispensable!
Word without practice
A bird without wings
To reach the destination
Practice is indispensable!
Explanation comes from within!
Perfection leads to Knowledge
Knowledge to experience
And Experience to Explanation!
Supplement words with practice
Explanation comes from within!
Although Knowledge comes from within, it comes through grace of God and Guru. Foundation is grace and point of origin is mind
Topics of The Permanent Solution: Explanation (Ego, Aim and Deeds)
O! Khuda! Let there be you and let there be your wish.
Let there not be me nor my aspiration! (By Maharajaji in Hindi)
Ego stands in direct opposition with Saint and God. It fills intellect with feeling of self-pride and thus makes it more closed to accepting dictates of saint, while it is only through following sayings of a saint that one can achieve the goal of divine happiness. One who has experience and reached the destination can only guide about the correct path and ego is in direct opposition to accept any guidelines from the saint. Ego develops faith in wrong channel – intellect thinks that it can decide on each and every mater in the universe and it is superior to everyone including God and goes on defying Saint and his preaching. Ego tries to keep feeling of self-importance intact and the only way to show this is by not obeying saints terming them to be the persons of a blind belief! At some point of time, when a lot of sufferings come in your way, one does take recourse to God and Saint. Once the troubling situation is over, again mind goes back to the square one. To some extent, mind does accept Saint to be genuine but does not surrender to him completely. Not only that, ego in its efforts of gaining importance adopts the tactic of seeing faults even in Saint and God. Mind is fully aware that it does not have access to infinite happiness but tries to circumvent the situation by proving Saint to be problematic. The result is, it takes recourse to other material persons who are in search of same divine happiness but are not yet successful. It is something like ‘blind leading blind and both fall in a ditch.’ Problem of impurity of mind gets multiplied! Thus, the damage is complete. Ego also makes you to commit many sins by not remaining open to pleas of others. Haughty behavior is impervious to others’ problems and viewpoints. You will find history is full of atrocities made by rulers! It is but natural that any possession of power, wealth will assist ego to flourish. Therefore, it is necessary that ego is not allowed to rule the mind and decisions are be made by rational reasoning and by directives of saint.
The other side is – Tulsidas says ‘I have a pride (ego) that Ram is my Master and I am his slave’ That is, ego has enforced a correct decision in the mind. It is taking pride from the fact that it is related to Lord Ram. It is a pride arising out of Love. In a way the pride is for Ram. Rest I think is very clear.
Thank you for your interest in ‘The Permanent Solution’.
Regarding the first passage!
If you see the basic aim of any individual, it is to seek everlasting happiness. The very first page of the book proves that soul is in search of such never ending state of excitement. A constant search is on. During the search, mind adopts following procedure. Create desire; fulfill it to see if never ending state of excitement is achieved. That does not happen. Again a new search is on. You know that such happiness is available only with God and the reason of its non-availability to mayic (material) souls is impure state of mind. Mind is impure because it keeps on thinking impure objects, which lie under Maya (This world). Therefore, the thinking, which involves mayic personalities and other mayic entities, can only make mind further impure. In addition, as heart becomes more impure, one needs to take more efforts to clean it. Because there is no guarantee of kind of desires mind will create, it is most likely that mind will create more dirty desires, which lead to more sufferings. That is why it is said that 'Maya is very powerful. It sends soul to heaven sometimes and to hell other times.' There is no permanent remedy to the sufferings of soul. It is evident that all charity, kindness done without remembrance of God leads to further contamination of heart and, therefore, termed as sin. Sin is something, which should not be done, which has bad effects. You also do not know how the receiver will utilize your charity alms. Depending on the use of charity received, donor receives the effect. If the receiver puts charity to bad use, donor has to bear its effect. While donating, donor assumes that it will be put to good use and mind is not sure of end use of the donation and that is the reason why end use of charity matters. Thinking of God (Divine thinking) purifies the heart. Therefore, if some one is associated with outward actions, which are seemingly sinful, but if his or her mind is attached to God, God does his job of heart purification because God notes only mind and not external actions. In fact, he or she is not committing any sin - a deed that will bring bad effects to the doer or anyone else associated with the deed. Gopis had illicit relationship with God, a seemingly sinful action but they received divine ecstasy in return and not hell, as it happens with individuals having illicit relationship with other mayic personalities. This is what the passage conveys.
4 Liners
Infliction
Your love is an infliction
I never knew before
Infliction to be
So gratifying!
Adversary of brains!
You are staying in my heart
And putting it on fire?
O! Adversary of brains,
Does anyone put his own house ablaze?
(Original by Kripalu Mahaprabhu in Hindi)
Love is God?
God is Love (add Divine)
God is Love divine
Love is God (add divine)
Divine Love is God!
Then it is obvious that those who have such love can only give little or ample of it. No one gets water from dry well. The heart, which lacks love, cannot distribute love. Until one acquires such love, he or she is in search of love; then sharing of love without having a trace of it is out of question!
You can't be away from me
When you are near me
My life is near me
When you are far from me
My life is far from me
When my life is always with you,
What is the point
In going away from me?
(Your efforts to get rid of me will never be successful, because where ever you move, my life moves with you!)
This is in a way saying, “You can't be away from me even if you are away from me!”
Stone hearted!
Silky hair
Moonlit face
Body Fragrance
Cool rays in looks!
What
will you lose
Take just a look at me
To cool down the heat
The fire that
Your first sight
Put in me!
Love v/s Sex
Love and sex are
world apart
Love is pleasant, pure sunshine
While sex is
dreaded dark night.
--Gaurang Mahaprabhu (in Sanskrit)
Romance
to make beloved happy is love
Romance to satisfy your own urge is
sex
Where there is love, there cannot be sex
Where there is
sex, there cannot be love
Love is day and Sex is night
When one
is present, another is absent.
If you see to it, if you experience receiving love, you do not experience giving love in those moments or you are not engaged in the act of loving. Therefore, receiving love should also be a part of giving love that is, “Because I love you, I want to see you happy and because you are happy in showering love so I am happy in receiving it, to see you happy!”
First clarification is
Love and sex are world apart
Love is pleasant, pure sunshine
While sex is dreaded dark night.
--Gaurang Mahaprabhu (in Sanskrit)
Only above lines are attributable to him. Rest was my writing. Second and most important of all is, “What is the problem that we are not able to perceive the infinite exhilaration that exists with God?'” What we get through all kinds of pleasures is momentary ecstasy or satisfaction. It recedes. Not only sex but also other material enjoyments are prohibited for spiritual aspirant. I think following link makes the point more clear.
www.geocities.com/shreeradha to read The Permanent Solution.
Another issue whether enjoyable or not, sex is definitely different from love and much inferior to love. You can see the difference between Kubja and Gopis for that matter! Kubja never got entry into divine dance of Raas because of her selfish love for God. In addition, there is a difference in the desire to see your beloved happy and desire to seek your own satisfaction irrespective of beloved's happiness. First one is love and Romance through later mood is sex. That is sex is satisfaction of own lust and love is to derive satisfaction through beloved's happiness irrespective of your condition. For example, Gopis who loved Krishna were languishing in his absence. Their health deteriorated. Nothing was enjoyable to them in absence of Krishna while Krishna was enjoying in Dwarika as King of a rich empire! With number of queens! Gopis still loved him. They did not think, 'See, when he was with us he loved us so much and now that he has got riches he is least bothered about us! Let us forget him. He is not a good person. At least he could have called us to his city and offered us stay with him?' Instead, they said, 'O Krishna, I cannot stay without you. Every moment is like ages to us. I feel like dieing without you but I am still alive on the hope that you will return to Braj one day. On that day, you might inquire about me. And if you don't find me there, you will feel sad won't you? That is the reason I am still alive!' This is the love! Very different from sex! There is romance in love but that sex is also to please beloved and not for one's own satisfaction.
I have listed out the differences between love and sex. Regarding Gaurang Mahaprabhu, he was acclaimed scholar of his era. He was so good in the in his knowledge of scriptures and logic that no one could win him over in any debate any time in his life! Just calling someone stupid without knowing facts shows stupidity of allegations! And according to Hindu scriptures, which deal with spirituality in more depth than any other religion, love stands way above the sex. No one denies existence of sex but love is something different. If this statement is creating trouble in one's own selfish fulfillment of desires, one should change and not go on making base-less accusations!
Where is need of Sun?
There is Light
in your eyes
And Sparkle in your smile
Luster all over
body
Loving Glow in your looks
Lustrous and soft is your
skin
Twinkling is your touch
Brilliant in ideas
and
scintillating voice
Lightening are your memories
Thundering are
your thoughts
Come soon and drench me
With showers of your
love!
Yow saw once
and my mind became yours!
I nurtured it so
carefully so long
and now I am no one?
(You have captured my
mind completely and it is no more mine! It has left my service and
become your servant!)
(Original in Hindi by Shri Kripaluji
Maharajaji)
One Mind, Thinking and Behaviour
Because everything resides in one supreme personality - God, God can see your mind. Saint who acquires all powers of God can also look into your mind through Him. There are certain miraculous powers, thorough which one can see other's mind. Those powers are called as SIDDHIS. These powers are impossible to attain in this age. About 'One Mind', it is true in a way because it is only through God's mind, which contains all other minds, one can see what is going on in other's mind. As you must be aware, to experience God, one needs divine mind, divine intellect and divine senses, which are nothing but God's mind, God's intellect and God's senses. That is 'One Mind' has to be God's Mind.
I have not heard of the book 'Towards divine love'. It is a different book and as you are saying written by someone else and not by Jagadguru Shri Kripaluji Maharaj. Philosophy of Divine Love is translation of Hindi Book 'PREM RAS SIDDHANT (Literally meaning LOVE-NECTOR DOCTORINE)' This Hindi Book is by Jagadguru Shri Kripaluji Maharaj and this is the book that I recommended you to read. After reading, you would want to get in touch with him. It is true that you must see Shri Kripaluji Maharaj, but until such time arrives, I think it would be in order to get in touch with some preacher there in America to know further about philosophy and spiritual practice. That is what I would suggest you. Spiritual camps are conducted there. There is also some schedule of weekly spiritual practice in many cities in America where followers of Shri Maharajaji assemble on regular basis.
Frankly speaking, nothing can be dirty as everywhere resides God. The problem is we are not able to see his presence in the true sense of infinite happiness. Why this outcry of remembrance of God? God is pure personality and we derive properties of person we think of, whichever way we think - through anger, through love, through hatred, through sex... Thus if we have relationships with persons who have not yet experienced divine happiness and who are not pure, we are bound to borrow their properties. Thus, heart becomes dirtier because anything other than God and Saint is not pure! For this reason not only sex but hatred, anger and love should also not be directed to worldly persons. Another point is no one is interested in love in this world. If your behavior is loving, without internal attachment, it is sufficient. For example, a wife having love affair with third person, if keeps cordial behavior with her husband, everything works fine! No one is going to look into your heart whether or not you love! While God, specifically demands love. Thus, both requirements are mutually exclusive. Sexuality has been under criticism from all scriptures as it creates strong attachment to worldly persons. What I meant was, 'Everyone judges you from your outward behavior and no one is interested in inside love! 'Works fine' means husband still does not sense the love affair which means there is no strife. Life moves ahead as usual although wife's mind is totally engrossed in extra marital love. This to bring out the point that outward behavior is most important while dealing with people and no one expects love! Well, all actions are subject to their effects, which everyone has to bear according to what one does. You must be knowing the story of a man and his dog. Dog was killed for saving man’s son! Reason - Man could not read mind of the dog and killed dog after seeing its face and body full of blood! Human beings go by external stimuli received through senses and not by internal feelings of others! Even if we go by someone's explanation, we go by his words thinking that he is honest. Inside story is never known. The open mind can think in many ways but the way in which other mind thinks is still unknown.
Light of your eyes!
The light
Emanating
From your eyes
The spirit of dull body!
The
light of your eyes
Lightens my life
Doubts are on fire
The
darkness of MAYA expelled!
Beautiful big eyes
Brimming with
honey of love
One who tests it
Smitten for all the time!
The
poison of your love
Sweeping over mind and body
Craving for yet
another
Lively look and touch
The exciting
cycle
Exhilaration and more exhilaration!
O! pity on
those!
Away from your experience!
Earthquake
You must have read in newspaper about massive earthquake that hit India. It brings out the stark reality that human beings are just toys in the hands of massive natural forces. Around 30,000 or more are dead! Human beings have always been thinking that they are successful in controlling nature and always felt that they are superior clan and that there is no need to consider the presence of God as vital as their own presence. However, only God can save anyone from anything. Just one needs to accept this fact and remember him as one's protector all the time. We fail to do this. Vedas proclaim 'There is no other way to over come this ocean of sorrows and sufferings arising out of MAYA but to seek your Knowledge.' All powerful is ready to offer shelter, nay, in fact He is waiting anxiously for his child to return in his warm and loving fold. What can be done if the offer is rejected? Lord may weep at the sordid state of his children but cannot offer aid unless soul accepts his loving presence and surrenders to Him! Aid is pouring in from different countries and states, but loss of lives is something, which cannot be compensated for! Everyone has to leave the stage, once the time is over! We too will have to pass away one day! All that can be done is making the best use of the available life! It is a cycle, which acts very surreptitiously. When we are in a position to do something that can break the cycle, at those very moments our attention is drawn to something else, which we feel is more important. We are busy in accumulating material wealth, knowledge and in process commit various sins. We lose the touch of humanity many times. Least bothered about whether we are making someone else to suffer or not. Sane words seem to be most appalling! God is something non-existent! Once the moment is gone, suffering, sufferings, and only sufferings remain. Tukaram, a saint, said, “In this world, happiness is like a small particle of sand while sufferings are like a mountain, if comparison is made in these two.” Another saint, Tulsidas says, “Chant Ram to get rid of horrifying fear of this world.” “This life is a period of sun shine just for 4 days and then dreadful darkness for ages to come! O! Mind wake up and make full use of the opportunity of human life to become free of bondage of sufferings! Go on remembering Nandkumar (Lord Krishna) all the time! - (Free translation from Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji’ s work.)”
Helping others
Will that is not supported by power to deliver cannot succeed in its fulfillment. To make others happy and to be devoted to others' happiness, one needs to be free of desire of own happiness. For example, if you want to aid a person, who is a beggar having no house to stay in, you wouldn't invite him to stay in your house. What you would probably do is to offer some food, clothes, money etc. The reason is you need house for yourself to be happy. That is, all assistance that is offered to others is only to the extent to which your own compulsion of deriving happiness permits! The infinite happiness, once achieved relieves soul of this compulsion of seeking own happiness and then the soul is really in business of making others happy.
Sense!
The darkness
Everyone is entrapped
Light is nowhere
No one needs it
The darkness is life!
Ineffective light
Of Eternal happiness
Of Bliss and love
To penetrate
Through the shell
Eternal darkness!
The darkness
Attachments and hatreds
Sufferings and sorrows
And momentary ecstasy!
Rolling over and over
That makes sense
To all nonsensical
Men and women!
There is a sense
In nonsense
Alas! To find
No sense in
Sense of a
Living saint!
Light is nowhere
No one needs it
Darkness is the life!
Journey
Life is a journey,
Without end and beginning!
Beginning of
stopover is birth,
Death is end of it!
One needs to be
wise
Not to have spent time
On collections
To be left over
At the stopover!
Many persons meet
Each having his own
time
No one lives for another
A simple truth of Life!
Light of life!
Night is over,
Day is in,
Cycle is on!
To me it is the same,
Whether day or night!
Heart is in total darkness,
Waiting for the exuberant light,
From your delightful sight!
Divine Love Club: Welcome Message!
Welcome! Being sons and daughters of one father, we are all brothers and sisters. As it happens in this material world, brothers and sisters have different fortunes, so does it happens in spiritual world, in both cases everyone gets fortunes according to his own accumulations of deeds of the past lives. In Spiritual world some are spiritually rich, some are in between and some are very poor in the same way as some of the descendants of the family are very rich and some are not. Those who are spiritually rich have spiritual qualities in them - mercy, love, compassion and so on. Those, who are not spiritually rich, enjoy only worldly pleasures and are least bothered of consequences of their actions just as a drunkard person is not bothered of anyone and keeps on lying in the middle of the street. To become spiritually rich, there is the simplest way - to go on remembering God every moment and to leave everything to him. No one is spiritually rich in real sense until divine vision of God is acquired. This clubs aims at creating awareness about ultimate aim of the life and to guide desirous persons to the proper path.
As all of you are aware, any feeling originates from within the mind. The stimulus that one receives through the senses triggers the evaluation process in the mind. Spirituality aims at tackling the issue of happiness at this level while materialism aims at outer things. Materialism rests on the principle that outward possessions have capacity to make a person happy while spiritualism rests on the principle that reaction of mind is only the sole cause of feeling. Two minds can react very differently to same stimulus and, therefore, there is difference of opinions about everything. Further, spiritualism also tries to develop the mind in such a way that mind becomes capable of sustaining infinite happiness so that the experience of happiness begets another stream of happiness and cycle continues till infinite time and soul becomes happy and satisfied forever! This is exactly opposite to materialistic experience in which happiness gradually reduces on its continued experience. That is material happiness begets unhappiness! Therefore, it is a much wiser option to become spiritual.
Belief
Really speaking when Creator created this world, he must have thought that souls would try to see His presence in every particle. And to take care of those, who would not be able to see God everywhere, he arranged INDRAJAL or MAYAJAL or this COSMIC ILLUSION so that people could attribute the outcome of an event to something, which they could point to logically. If a jewel can exhibit certain properties according to the wish God and if same God is present in sand then God can act through sand equally effectively as he acts through jewel and exhibit the same properties of jewel through sand, because outer casing cannot put limit on properties of inner brew! The problem with we people is that we perceive jewel differently from sand. The moment one gets to the inner reality of presence of God, there is no difference in precious stone and sand. That is what works out miracles for saints. God works for them everywhere and, for we, he works only where we believe him to work in a specific way and that is too up to the limit that is acceptable to us! A case of self imposed limitations! For saints, anything can happen because their belief is God is present in every particle. Which means any kind of miracle is possible for them. Our belief is everything is governed by natural laws and according to our belief in the laws of the nature, God makes things happen for us. So whether it is a saint or an ordinary person, God is very much active because he has to produce effects. Just that a saint is aware of this fact and ordinary mortals are not.
It is true that the way to God is only through the mind but that does make idol worship redundant. As you must be aware, God although present everywhere, his divine experience constantly eludes us. The problem lies in the perception of God. Saints perceive the same universe as full of excitement and divine bliss. For us, it is not so. To purify the heart, one must try to look divinity in each and everything around, which is difficult in initial stage. In such cases idol worship is very useful way of diverting inner mind to God with the help of outer stimulus. Every time one sees idol, there is a feeling of divinity associated with. It is this feeling which helps purify heart and not the idol. Idol devoid of feeling is nothing but a carved stone incapable of doing anything. As one attains perfection, he or she extends the habit of seeing divinity even to living being and other inanimate matter. For this exercise of heart purification, one is also in need of a person who has acquired divine powers. It is because the job of purification of heart is a stupendous task. To think that material soul will do it on its own is to think that an ant can lift the Himalayas on its own. It is ridiculous! The point is idol worship is useful although not essential and many have attained perfection this way.
Meditation And Devotion
Devotion is love + moving meditation or visualization. For example, when you listen to a devotional song, say, about child Krishna, you should think that it is a happening with you or it is happening in your presence and you love Krishna same as his Mother Yashoda did! You are a part of that scene. Similarly, visualization can be extended for romantic mood. Meditation is concentration on some static object. Visualization is concentration on moving God, his pastimes and thinking of your presence with Lord!
Devotion is starting point for all kind of people irrespective of their current spiritual status. Even greatest of sinners were successful in attaining God through devotion, which is evident from the history. After attaining God, devotion still stays with you and you love God just as you love world today. The difference is the association with this world will end one day while association with God continues for time infinite.
In fact, devotion is the only path, which is open to all without any precondition. All other ways expect some pre qualification for entry into the path.
When I Think of You!
O! My Dear Krishna!
I can’t help counting differences
Between father and his son,
You and me!
When I think of you!
Unparalleled is your greatness
While my meanness
Is equally unparalleled!
When I think of you!
You are the ocean
Crystal clear water
While I am a pond
And dirty water!
When I think of you
You are in and out
Overflowing with mercy and love
I am in and out
Overflowing with vice and wickedness!
When I think of you
Actions all of yours
Are always perfect to the last detail
While mine are always
Full of defects in every detail!
When I think of you!
And you know..
There cannot be love
When there is disparity
When I think of you!
When I think of you
Your virtues allow
Make me a request ...
Don’t count differences,
Bridge the disparity,
By making me full of love divine!
When I think of you!
Moment Gone is Opportunity Lost!
Every moment that is presented to us comes with an opportunity of utilising that moment. How to put it to the best use? Moments pass away one after another and life comes to an end. Like this, innumerable moments are passed from time infinite, and innumerable lives are passed - without any real gain. If every moment is utilized in remembrance of God, infinite moments, which are yet to arrive, will be passed in the ever-enjoying company of God. Otherwise future will be passed with company of the people who are in search of such happiness and nothing could be attained other than sufferings and pains! So, let us not allow the moment to be converted into the lost opportunity! Let us use that opportunity to enable us to unleash the flow of divine love.
It has another implication. If we are presented some opportunity at some moment, it is not necessary that the same opportunity will be available all the times. For example, before appearing to the examination, there is an opportunity to study hard and get through examination with excellent grade. If those moments of studies are not utilized, it is not possible to get that opportunity of studies again after the examination. Similarly, it is not possible to have the moments of human life after the death. It is also not possible to have moments of presence of a saint among us all the time. One must make full use of such opportunities. Once the moment is gone, opportunity is also lost! Later on nothing but repentance remains!
Once God appeared before Indra, king of heaven and told him to ask for boon. Indra said, 'I want a most beautiful lady! She should be beyond comparison!' God said, 'Ask for something better.' Indra insisted on beautiful fairy! He said, 'Now that you don't want to give me such lady, you are making excuses!' God presented a long line of best looking beauties. Indra selected the first one! God said, 'At least take a look at all of them before making selection!' But Indra was so infatuated by the first one that he refused to even see others. Indra went to his Guru - Brihaspati with his new possession. Brihaspati asked, 'Who is this?' Indra told him the whole story. Brihaspati reacted, 'You fool! Why did not you ask for eternal bliss, divine love or God himself?' Indra realised that he had lost the opportunity. The moment was gone! God never approached him again in Indra's lifetime and granted a boon for nothing, as he did on that occasion! Moment gone is opportunity lost!
A proverb: Better to be small!
There is a proverb in Marathi.
It is better to eat sugar by
being ant
Rather than carrying wooden logs by being an
elephant!
That is, to get the experience of sweet divine love,
one must be humble so that the stream of divine love flows through
the heart with its full energy and without any hindrance.
Well! My trip didn't lost that long so I'm back early. See, before calling anyone for meeting, try to check out his or her beliefs and areas of interests. When you are sure that it would be an enjoyable meet, then only you should proceed. This club does not favour gay relationship because such relationship does not have any support from any spiritual scriptures from any religion. My advice is you should try to develop relationship with God. The romantic relationship with God is essentially through the mind, in which, you assume the form of a beautiful girl of age of 16 and God assumes the form of a charming youth of the same age. That would be most rewarding. To do so, first important point is to seek theoretical knowledge of the subject. I'm sure that it would be really good if you could read The Permanent Solution and Net Talk, which are available at the site www.geocities.com/shreeradha If anyone is interested in further reading, I can send a book 'Philosophy of Divine Love' which deals in depth with theory of supernatural or divine love. Just that interested person will have to bear cost of book and mailing expenses.
Once Emperor Akbar was offering namaz (prayer) in an open ground. A girl who was mad in love of her beloved went to meet him across the ground. She was so absorbed in beloved's thoughts that she virtually walked over Akbar's back when he was bowing down to offer prayer. Next day Akbar called the girl and decided to punish her for her offence. He asked whether she had any thing to say in her defense. Girl said, “I was so lost in my love that I could not realise there was someone offering prayer in my way. My mind was away from my eyes and for this reason eyes could not perform their work. What surprises me is that you were quite aware of surrounding even while offering prayer. You do not love God even to the extent to which mortal loves one another!” Listening to this, Akbar set her free without any punishment!
However, this story does not give right of disturbance! In initial stages, one needs to practice in a place, which is away from noise so that concentration does not get disturbed. In earlier period, daemons used to disturb divine worship and to tackle them Lord Ram came down and ultimately all the daemons were killed.
Supernatural Love
Supernatural love is for the people who can look beyond blood and flesh relationship – A relationship of soul with God. Generations after generations have born and died. Every generation thought that they achieved a lot of progress over their ancestors. The ego led everyone to deathbed. Supernatural love starts where ego ends. Kabirdas says, “No one becomes scholar by reading and studying volumes of scriptures and books and theories. The one who gets knowledge of four letters of love, becomes scholar in an instant.” Love means Divine Love. Knowledge of divine love is knowledge of God, which is a complete knowledge that makes a person scholar. Without divine love, no one can get knowledge of God and the knowledge remains incomplete because there is always something, which is yet to be known. Thus, without the experience of divine love, no one can become scholar just by reading books and theories.
I think you are mixing up many other emotions and other issues with love. Love is immense liking for the one you love. The liking is so intense that you cannot bear staying away from your beloved even for a second. In addition you feel satisfied only if beloved is happy. This kind of love when directed to the supreme personality puts God in a fix. He works as your servant because what he likes is the pure love. This is the supernatural love.
Where is love on this earth? Can you get milk from coconut? However white may it be? Love is that entity, which makes happy its owner forever; puts him in ever-gratified state and makes him capable of uplifting others from this pool of sordid Maya. All living beings are in search of love. They love in search of love! What a folly! One should try to seek love through purification of heart!
Non-Vegetarians
The very definition of daemon is the one who enjoys sufferings of others. All meat eaters enjoy food, which is the outcome killing of another animals that experience pain. Thus, in a way, meat eaters fall into category of daemon. Daemon in the form of human! Saint Kabir says exactly the same thing. All of us know that there are no pains involved when vegetables are cut but when an animal is cut, you could see the acute pain that it experiences.
Way
to God is through love, not through killing other animals!
Some Questions on Religion
I received the following mail....
Hello Shekhar,
If
you do not mind I would like to ask you a more philosophical
question. Why do you think every culture has it's own religion? If
God is the God of the universe (and I am assuming each culture
believes their God serves that function) why do we not all serve the
same God? Or, at least share a common thread? Should we not be
uniting in a common bond and goal? Instead, it would seem as though
our religion divides us instead of bringing us together. Is love not
the source of live, should we not be able to set aside the
differences and just love each other?
Just some thought I have.
As I have been arguing, everything depends on how one's mind perceives whatever is offered to it. For example, you must be knowing the famous proclamation 'Awake, awake, stop not, till the goal is reached.' It is there in Vedas and Swami Vivekananda used it on many occasions. Many students put this slogan on the walls of their room. If you ask them 'what is your goal?', you will receive a varied response like 'to be an engineer, to be a scientist, to be a sportsman, to be a film star and so on...' The real meaning of the sentence is lost. Vivekananda used the word 'Goal' to point to the ultimate aim - 'Unlimited Happiness!' However, it got distorted. Similarly although God is one, many persons perceive him differently and you have so many divisions. To love each other will not be possible until your own interests are met. You cannot love a person who brings you suffering. This is the main limitation in having love relationships with mortals. Everyone is interested in his or her own satisfaction and friendship can be there only if interests of individuals are met. Problem of selfishness is not there with God and Saint. They are replete with immense joy of infinite amount and are willing to share their love with others; while mortals are expecting such joy from others. Therefore, it is not possible to have love relationships with other mortals without any breaks.
Every individual has different traits and different liking. It is then becomes imperative for God to assume different forms that can take care of all of his children. The mistake that is made is every form is treated as a separate God rather than treating all the forms as appearances of the same God in different looks, in different styles. This mistake creates divide among the religions. The truth is God never likes the people, who do not believe in oneness of God or who, do not believe in the principle of one God and many forms. This follows from the following illustration: If a girl is known in the home as baby while in the school she is known as say Jane. If there were a lover, who loved Jane and wanted to kill baby, what would be condition of that Girl? She would be dead! People who fight over God are like this insane lover! God categorize them as sinner and never approves their acts.
Thus, there is a common thread of God that runs through all religions. Unfortunately, people are not able to realize.
Parable of Transformation (Thinking on other’s behalf)
Hard to believe! That one can influence the behavior of other person by thinking on other’s behalf. In that case, nothing else is needed to change all mankind to do better things. Even God and Saint cannot perform such task. Had it been possible, Saint, who acquires all powers of God, has just one job to think on other's behalf!
Spirit of Spirits
God is spirit of all spirits. Get his experience, and then you will never long for any other experience. Longing itself ends! Of course, divine desires are there! However, they are very different from material ones.
Please visit www.geocities.com/shreeradha and then read The Permanent Solution and Net Talk. It is all about Hindu religious concepts. I personally believe all religions point to the same God just that Hinduism allows you more intimacy with God in the form of romantic relationship and friendship through love. Hinduism also offer abundant logic which help in making the faith stronger. It has a vast theoretical base and can cater to almost every individual person’s spiritual needs through variety of in-depth theories, and through the practical based on those theories. It also focuses on the need of saint as a mediator between God and soul. Hinduism is based on theory of rebirth, which state that character of soul in every living organism is same, which means soul can move from one species to another. Hinduism gives paramount importance to the human form. Only through human form one can cross the boundaries of the nature and unit with God. Actions performed in human form decide the species in which soul takes the next birth. Hinduism is also supported with the concepts of heaven and hell. Good deeds lead to the heaven while bad deeds or sins lead to the hell. Hinduism also treats Soul and God as entities, which cannot be created nor destroyed.
The world never remains without Saints! Saints are God's person and act according to his wish only. Once saint leaves this body and attains salvation, his return to this earth is not possible. Christ has attained this state. Second thing in my earlier posts I have proved that in the absence of rebirth, all blame for all sufferings goes to God and not to soul and no one can put blame on God. Hinduism deals in details with rebirth; I feel you should spend some time on studies of Hindu scriptures and philosophy.
New Year Message (2001): Nothing is certain until it happens!
Yes! Mind must be empty to receive grace from God. Action in spiritual realm means thinking. Divine thinking or thinking of God makes mind empty bit by bit just as taking out a bucketful of water from water tank will make the tank empty eventually provided there is no fresh input of water into the tank. The following practice, which I wrote to one of the club members, will be a great help.
There
is one thing possibly you can do is to make a small place in your
house where you can perform spiritual practice. While doing the
practice, you have to visualize that God, Lord ShriKrishna, is
present with you. Rather, you are in his divine abode. Many pictures
of Radha and Krishna are available. You can select any one of those
or you can create any form according to your imagination. You can
even keep on changing forms from time to time. Think that ShriKrishna
and ShriRadha have come alive from that form. The best way is to make
visualization from within mind according to your liking. ShriKrishna
is your beloved, ShriRadha is your close friend, and you are devoted
to both of them. The practice is that soul is servant to ShriRadha
and ShriKrishna. Your aim is make them happy. You can go into any
mood. You can be with ShriKrishna, you can be with ShriRadha, or you
can be with both of them. Some times you think that Shrikrishna is in
romantic mood and allow your mind to drift accordingly. You assume a
form the most beautiful girl and he is the most handsome man for you.
Sometimes you would go on singing devotional songs or busy in
chanting his name. Many devotional songs are available at
www.divinelovemission.org
You can get their English meaning from books available with contacts
given in the site. You can have all material related to devotional
practice in English. Many of Maharajaji's translated work are
available at this site. Later, you can plan visit to India. Well,
remember, nothing is certain until is happens! So make it happen –
The Spiritual Practice – An hour or two – Every Day!
Mind Control
If there is desire, there is action. If there is action, there is knowledge through grace of God. Mind is not an enemy; it is a servant of soul. It needs to be controlled through proper reasoning and spiritual practice. Only spiritual practice nourishes controlling factor. As one goes on thinking of God, God, who is most compassionate, showers his grace so that mind does not get attracted to the material world. Everything is achievable through grace of God and Saint. The problem is all our desires are selfish because the source from which they arise is Maya. Denial is effective only if it is supplemented with desire to see divine vision of God. Otherwise, after some point, mind gets attracted to selfish desires again.
One aspect of love is to be loved and to love is yet another aspect. I think latter one is in our hand. If we love God, we automatically are happy as beloved of God. If you have liking towards God, then God has liking towards you. So in order to be loved by God, you need to love God.
Short Topics-1
Money
"Sethji ko fikra thee ki ek ek ke das das kijiye
Itneme
Maut Aa Gayi Ki Hazarat, Jan Vapis dijiye"
(By Shri
Maharajaji)
"Millionaire was worried
How to convert 1
into 10
Just then came the Death and said,
'Mr., return the
life to me' (relying on which you are making the plans)'
It is
necessary to ponder over evanescence of life! "
Doubt kills love. You either have doubt about your beloved or you have love for your beloved. Love is the outcome of complete faith in beloved. Gita says, 'One, who has doubt, will perish without any doubt.'
Warm House
God's house is the only warm house, which welcomes all who suffer in this world. It is a different story if some one does not want to get into such house.
Sanatan means something which is there from time infinite and which will remain intact for time infinite. There are three entities, which are sanatan namely God, Soul and Maya.
Moon is cool. It offers pleasant light when it is full. Similarly love is cool but its light is like sun. All misgivings, doubts melt when love enters the heart, just as darkness melts on arrival of the sun.
In a conversation, one person was saying that people call him mad because he is devoted to God. I think everyone is mad in this world. People, whose madness falls into one category, make a group and declare themselves sane!
When life ends, nothing comes to rescue! Only wealth that goes with you is Spiritual wealth, which can be attained through remembrance of God.
Sufferings are part of life. King or beggar! It is a part of the destiny. Both of them can love God. There is only one solution. To treat whatever comes to you as grace of God. God who is all knowing and who is full of mercy cannot do anything wrong to anyone. Sufferings itself cannot purify heart. Yes! If sufferings are coupled with remembrance of God with full realization that sufferings are outcome of God's compassion, which is there in every happening, one can take long strides in the direction of God. Sufferings as I haven been saying, are outcome of one's own past deeds.
Sufferings cannot make you qualify for the experience of divine bliss because purification of heart is what needed for such experience and if someone suffers without remembering God, heart never gets purified and’ therefore, one cannot have experience of divine bliss. Well, one can definitely say that sufferings will end one day as no mayic state can continue till time infinite. A day will be there when soul will experience joy as effect of good deeds of past lives. However, divine bliss is something different. The problem is all our desires are selfish because the source from which they arise is Maya. Denial is effective only if it is supplemented with desire to see divine vision of God. Otherwise, after some point, my gets attracted to selfish desires again.
Faith
Just saying by 'I am Christ or I am God' no one turns into Christ or God. If you are interested in knowing a realised person, Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji, whose photo is displayed on club's main page, is the best choice. I am just following the path and not yet reached the stage of realization, still from my experience I know everything works out well, if you have unwavering faith in God. The faith should be so strong that it remains unchanged even in the face of death or in situations which might force loss of faith, for example, loss of wealth, loss of prestige, loss of dear ones, loss of position, insults and so on. That is faith in God. Strong belief that, "Yes! There is God and he will have to come to me eventually." is must. If you say that you can have faith in God only if your worldly problems are sorted out, you do not have faith in God. In such cases, you have faith in worldly belongings. As long as such worldly belongings are there, your faith is intact.
Way to
Love
Leave
everything to God and challenge him 'O! My beloved, irrespective of
what comes to me and how you behave with me, I love you and I will
love you and only you. I am up to you. If you want to kill me, go
ahead, still I will love you. Love will not reduce.' This kind of
love makes God sit up and take notice of the soul. This is what I
feel you should try. Lover lives for satisfaction of beloved. So,
Love is your life spent in satisfying your beloved.
I remember one story. There was an old man who could not even walk without tottering. He used to cough and had problems in getting his food. He would say, '”! God! Why do you keep me alive? Death is much better than these suffering.” One day YAM (God of Death) appeared in front of him and said, "I have come to take you. You wanted to die. Right?" Old man replied, 'O! I was never serious. I have so many things to do. How can I go with you now? There is my son who is married but still needs my guidance and…. "
According
to classical philosophy and according to our every day experience,
every one lives to seek happiness, and only if a person is sure that
future can never bring any happiness in the life, he or she commits
suicide.
So!
Come out of such thoughts! Love is there only if life is there!
The climax of life! Supposing the euphoric feeling of excitement, happiness, and exhilaration, which present at that single moment of climax of life, continued for infinite time! What would you do in such case? You wouldn’t do anything, just keep on experiencing that excitement.
You are right there. Soul never dies. Still, for people who link the existence to material body awarded to soul, life is up to the point until one is seen in the body form. Of course, there are pains in death. One would like to live infinitely, if it is possible. When death approaches - fish gasp for breath when taken out of water. It finds nothing more important than getting back to the water. Therefore, it is said that when one develops liking for God similar to that of craving of fish for water when out of water, God is just about to appear in person to collect that fortunate one in his arms! A Hindi song says, "I like you just as a dying person likes the life."
Perfection!
If you are not perfect and you do not find anyone who is perfect, it does not mean that no one is perfect! For example, blind person cannot see light, but that does not mean that there is no light. Maybe lack the vision could be the cause. When one seeks God, he becomes perfect. To be perfect, one needs to be replete with happiness and one must have access to infinite knowledge so that such person cannot do any wrong to others because of selfish motives or because of ignorance.
It is true that real meaning of worship goes on losing as time passes on and saints or God have to appear on earth to preach the age-old way of spiritual practice.
First
thing is a celibate life can easily turn to God's realm. In addition,
such life a very precious gift in which soul is saved from family
relationships. The major obstacle that prevents anyone from doing
spiritual practice is attachment towards other mortals. As mind is
one, it can think of one thing at a time - either wordily relations
or relation with God. Marriage also provides for strong bonds of
attachments with husband, wife, children and with other relations
arising out of it.
If you are referring to heaven as God’s
divine abode, it is fine. When one seeks perfection through romantic
mood of worship, where soul is lover and God is beloved, one can end
up as wife of God although the joy of being wife of God is much less
compared to the joy of loving him without the bondage of marriage. It
is because with marriage, wife gets certain rights and expects her
husband to fulfill certain conditions and expectations arising out of
marriage. The extramarital love does not impose any condition on
beloved. It is all-secret relationship. It is a real platform for
unconditional love. So, even in God's abode you will find Soul and
Soul mate (God) have different forms.
Another point is, usually
heaven refers to a mayic abode where people are rewarded for their
good deeds. It is also short-lived and one has to come back to the
earth maybe in lower species and wait until turn comes to be human
once more. Therefore, Gita says, "Those who target heaven are
greatest fools."
If God is there everywhere, he is there in cows and elephants as well. And everyone has liberty to choose his form of worship! Moreover, no post is posted at this site about worship of cows and elephants. We talk here of God and ways and means to seek divine happiness.
I feel this preaching (to preach others about God) cannot be taken in general for all. Because, in order to preach, one needs to get insights of divine world which means first target is to get some spiritual knowledge. Knowing only can set doubts aside. If someone says, he is away from God and he will be with God after spiritual upliftment, IT MEANS HE WILL REMAIN AWAY FROM GOD EVEN AFTER DEATH if he is not successful in attaining God before his death and that he will have to reappear on earth to fulfill his mission.
The gift called
the present
Is outcome of past
And will have future
That
will be "The Present"
Some time you will face!
One
needs to know
How and where
Life is directed,
To see that
the future
Is bearable when it
Becomes "The Present"
Conversation 3: Rebirth
A: thank
you!
shreeradha: Where are you from?
A: Ohio
shreeradha: You
say, "Life is not about what happens to you, life is about how
you deal with what's happened to you." That is very correct!
A:
that is the way I feel to the bone
shreeradha: you know, dealing
originates in mind!
shreeradha: Thinking process!
shreeradha:
Interestingly, different species have different thinking capacity. It
is possible that outer body is the effect of inner state of mind. Do
you
shreeradha: agree?
A: explain what you mean
shreeradha:
Meaning, once these poor animals were born as Human and because they
did not control their thinking process well, condition of their mind
got deteriorated and after death, according to their deeds or state
of mind, they were born in respective species. That is external body
is a function of state of mind and not vice versa
shreeradha: That
is external body is a function of state of mind and not vice versa
A:
it definitely gives me something to think about.
Shreeradha: Hindu
Philosophy of rebirth has many logistics in support! You can visit my
home page www.geocities.com/shreeradha
to read more about it
That life is not
a life
In which there is no love
For the fortune of life!
(God)
That love is not love
Which is not happy
In beloved's
delight!
(Original by Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji in Hindi
Traveler
Days come and
pass
Life moves towards end
Alas! The traveler thinks
Goal
is to live until life ends!
So many relations
So many
desires
So many clashes
So many emotions
Without having any
Real meaning!
Traveler is trapped
In joy and sorrow
In
ego and upsets
In love and hatred!
In the evening of
life
Traveler is lost in his memories
Of youth and
prosperity
At no point of time
Understands the difference
In
destination and journey!
Why are we away from God?
You know that when you look at computer, you perceive it as a computer. If look at a mountain, you perceive it as a mountain. No one perceives God that resides in all objects. That is, even if God is present in objects, you do not get any sign of God's presence in it. Therefore, God, when comes down to earth in human form, as a person, you perceive him as a person! Not as a God! That is why it is difficult to know God when he appears in human form. This is one of the reasons for your being under Maya for so long.
Another reason is friendship - friendship with the persons who believe in sensual indulgence. Thinking patterns of fellow being have immense impact on the way thinking patterns are established in our mind. Persons who do not have faith in Saint or God will try to enjoy life. If you are in a company where the topic of discussion is this world - Sports, Players, Movies, Stars and Starlets - you develop interest in worldly matters. If you are in a company where topic of discussion is God and His pastimes, you develop interest in God. The old saying, "Person can be judged from his friends" is very much true. The philosophy is two persons can have friendship, only if their interests match!
One more reason is laziness. You must be familiar with the quote "Whatever is to be do tomorrow, do it today. Whatever is to be done today, do it right now." That is "Do not make any delays in making decision, particularly when it is related to Spiritual endeavor." But the philosophy that is adopted to go about spirituality is "Whatever is to be done today, do it tomorrow and whatever is to be done tomorrow, do it day after tomorrow. There are years to come! Why to hurry?"
Fourth reason is looking faults in others. This habit is extended to Saints. Saint is discarded for some seemingly fault. You would not want to listen to him any more. Thus, any of his good teachings are not paid attention to. Saints are always there to give benefits to others. They have only one job - to bring permanent happiness to others, to relieve others from sufferings. Because of faultfinding, we lose saint in totality, take shelter to other material persons and finally waste the golden opportunity of union with God!
Fifth reason is negligence in getting theoretical knowledge of God, Soul and related issues. In the absence of such knowledge, spiritual practice is not possible. Many doubts creep in mind when one begins performing spiritual practical. If these doubts are not answered well, practice comes to a halt. The decision making authority- intellect- does allow mind to proceed further in the absence of clear views. Therefore, sufficient time must be spent on getting theoretical knowledge of different spiritual ways to arrive at proper selection of spiritual path and subsequent practice.
Sixth is over confidence. Because of over confidence, necessary precautions are violated. Everywhere there are do and don'ts. When doctor gives prescription, he also tells some prohibitions, if necessary. Prescription does not work well if prohibitions are not followed. Violations render prescription ineffective. It is a must for a spiritual aspirant to be extremely careful right up to the last point where one unites with God.
Seventh reason is lack of humility, tolerance and endurance. It is very important that mind does not involve in any sort of argument with others. In doing so, state of mind changes rapidly and it is no more receptive to love and happiness. It becomes more and more egoistic. Because it cannot get involved in the loving God, it invariably falls back on to the materialistic objects and persons. Thus, for nothing, one suffers loss!
Knowledge of God
“One,
who knows that knowledge of God can be sought, knows nothing. One,
who knows that knowledge of God cannot be sought, knows everything.”
If you see the hierarchy, God is at the top. He is beyond the reach
of intellect. Let alone God, even Maya is beyond the reach of
intellect and we have only one instrument to seek the knowledge of
any subject - intellect! Thus, whatever amount of efforts that are
spent on trying to understand God or to seek knowledge of God, will
not fruitful due to the inherent drawback of the intellect. Then,
what is the solution? The only solution is to borrow the intellect
that can perceive God. Such intellect cannot be other than God's
intellect. Many of saints are successful in attaining God because
they were successful in getting God into their demand of divine
intellect. That is, efforts should be made to acquire such intellect
and they should not be directed to get understanding of God with the
help of the intellect we have. This, actually, is a philosophy of
surrender. To surrender is to stop making decisions of your own and
get guided by the intellect of a saint. In other words you borrow the
divine intellect of the saint by following him. Your decision is that
the saint will make decisions for you. That is your decisions now
become divine! Once this state is achieved, God takes full control
and then you are totally governed by God's intellect. The reason is
there is no difference between the intellect of a saint and intellect
of God. Along with intellect, divine mind and divine body with divine
senses are also given so that you can experience divine joy
associated with God.
The answer is, "God cannot be
understood by material intellect! God can be easily understood by
divine intellect! One must try to purify mind rather than speculating
on - why God does what he does. No one on this earth has capability
to understand the behavior of Saint or God "
Bhakti Yoga.
Bhakti is nothing but Divine Love and Bhakti Yoga is the way to achieve God through Bhakti or Devotion or Love. That is love assumes supreme importance in Bhakti Yoga. Spiritual aspirant tries to develop love for Lord. To develop that love, it is necessary to establish some relationship with God. To establish that relationship, it is necessary to assume some form in which God can be visualised. You yourself need to have some form as well. Since God knows what is going on in mind, these forms are to be developed by mind only. Well, to start with it would be necessary to get some theoretical knowledge about God, Soul (Atma) and Maya so that one can decide that Spiritual Adventure is a must. How to start with Bhakti Yoga is a big question and the different steps that would be necessary are:
Decide what exactly you are after- Find answer to the question "What is the ultimate Goal?"
Get theoretical knowledge of God
Get Theoretical Knowledge of Soul
Get Theoretical knowledge of Maya or This World in totality including so called Love, Transient Happiness and Relationships with other individuals
Try to understand what do you ultimately get after following different Paths like Gyan, Karma and Bhakti
Study different relationships possible with God.
Adopt the one you like most and the one that will bring you the best of the spiritual world. It is the romantic mood of worship of God.
Continue two types of spiritual practices. One in solitude, for about 2-4 hrs a day, in which efforts are made through devotional songs to concentrate on God. Another while on work, in which one tries to do every work by showing it to God. There are other tricks as well. If time permits, I will discuss everything in detail.
Future
I think there is a point. It is always better to spend time on making your future rather that on knowing the future. Knowing future implies that future has some base, on which it is predicted and since future is different for different persons, that base must be related to individual person. It further implies that individual must be free so that base can be built. The only freedom that any individual has is about performing acts. Thus, everyone's deeds decide the future. Deeds are outcome of thinking. Therefore, it is better to spend time in making future through divine thinking rather than spending time in knowing the future.
Soul
Continuation of soul is different from conservation of energy. Both share the same aspect that there is no creation or destruction. Both of them can be compared to each other. Soul is a form of divine energy. Soul is there from time infinite in its position. The mind that is associated with soul has been in the realm of Maya, again from time infinite. All properties of soul are similar to God and are overshadowed by thinking of mind. Therefore, we say Maya controls soul. Maya is that power of God, which hides divinity of God. It serves a useful purpose of presenting God in a way that can be perceived by the mind, as it is not possible for impure mind to grasp divinity of God. I have listed few points about thinking and its effect on our mind in some posts at divine love club. Because of those effects, mind has to travel in different forms through rebirth in different species till it becomes finally pure and attain capability of experiencing divine happiness, which soul is in search of. Thus, the changes of form are governed by our own thinking. All species show different states of development of mind. That is, state of mind decides the next birth that we get, and state of mind gets affected by our thinking, because the development of mind is the outcome of our own thinking. Thus thinking assumes paramount importance in deciding our future. Soul essentially remains divine, but its outward form changes. Another aspect, which is important, is something, which is divine cannot become mayic; it may appear to be mayic or material. For example, God is completely divine, inside out! Further, he occupies each and every particle of this universe, but our experience is something different. That is because we perceive distorted version of the truth when God percolates through impure mind controlled by Maya. The continuation of soul, in its form, is due to the fact that it is divine nature and it is not subjected to the change. The original divinity remains intact while continuation of energy has different forms, which can be very different from its original form.
"If the soul has been from time infinite, then am I correct in assuming that it's goal is to attain pure thinking? "
The goal is to attain purity of mind. One characteristic of pure mind is that it does not think. The definition of pure mind is "Mind which is devoid of any material desires!" Since there are no desires, there is no thinking. Yes, to achieve this stage a lot of thinking is necessary. It just surrenders to God. Then it is God, who thinks through that mind.
"What happened? If the soul has been from time infinite, what distorted things for the soul?"
The answer is from time infinite, things are distorted for soul. Soul is under the spell of Maya since time infinite! Soul was never put under spell of Maya at some point of time in the past. From eternity, soul is traveling through birth and rebirth without any beginning! That is what infinite time means. We know that the Sun gives the energy. Why? Because it does! You may say that "O! It is because of fusion of hydrogen atoms?" If you go on asking series of questions like "Why hydrogen atoms are there on Sun?" You will ultimately end up with the answer. "Because on the Sun where such atoms are there." We accept it as a FACT. Then based on assumption of facts, some analysis can be carried out. Soul is there from time infinite can be treated a FACT. It is under the spell of Maya from time infinite is also a FACT. God is there from time infinite is also a FACT. Soul is trying to seek happiness from time infinite is also a FACT. The moment Soul seeks God, its search ends and it just keeps on experience that excitement for time infinite in future.
"Was the Physical world a choice for the soul or is there a goal?"
Goal is to be happy. Physical world is not choice of Soul. God provides physical world so that Soul can try to work, of course through mind, to seek choice of Being Happy. Mind has to work with physical world because it is not capable of dealing with divine world. For example, you will notice that a person accepts some job at some level of skills. Once skills are improved by experience, he tries to get better job! So the goal is to get the best job, but since it is not available, a person makes his choice with another job as a ladder to the best job. Similarly, soul, works with physical world through mind, until such time comes that mind is capable of dealing with divine world.
"If our thinking contribute to our next state, do we control this or is it an accumulation of experiences that bring about an awakening of the consciousness that evolves us to another level?"
Both the aspects are true. Our earlier experiences, which are outcome of our own deeds, put a person in certain psychological frame. All our past deeds are accumulated in the form of Sanskars (inscriptions) in our mind. Sanskars direct the mind to engage in certain type actions. Since Sanskars of different persons are different, different personality traits are found. Well, there is also an element of fresh control over the desires, which are aroused in the mind because of accumulation of past experiences. Most of the time, force of Sanskars defeats the controlling force. To increase the power of controlling force, spiritual practice is essential. When mind is engaged in spiritual practice, God, who is the source of all spirituality, imparts strength to mind’s controlling power. In fact, God himself control the mind at later stage. Old Sanskars, which created desires in the past, are wiped out due to increased divine power of mind, which has come from God. The slate becomes clean. Not a slightest trace of any of Sanskars remains and mind then becomes totally pure. It cannot create any desires because there are no Sanskars, which can create desires.
"Or did I miss things completely and the soul is pure but the mind is impure!"
Soul has always been divine. Problem is purity of mind. It is impure.
"What is it about the soul initially that it has to have help finding happiness. If soul is a derivative of Divine Love I would think that it experienced happiness. What happened to the soul, was it not created happy? I am trying to piece all of this together in my mind, I hope I am not being too repetitious in my questions. "
Soul has been under Maya right from the time when beginning was not there for the reason that soul is very weak though divine. Maya can overpower the powerless soul but Maya cannot overpower God, as God is the most powerful personality. In fact God imparts power to Maya, thus there is no question of God being under the spell of Maya. It is not that at some point of time, Soul was separated from God. The word origin is used only to emphasis that it resides in God and Soul cannot have any of its vitality if God is not present within the Soul. Originated also has meaning that before beginning of this World, soul resided in its diminutive form in God unable to strive for its goal of achieving happiness. When God released this world, Soul originated from God. That is it came into existence from God. It, in no way, implies new creation of Soul or change of state from divinity to material. Soul has yet to experience that divine happiness or divine love. Since time infinite, soul is deprived of this sweet experience.
No one can be more magnanimous than God. See the following episode.
When
Lord Ram was about to attack Ravana for abducting of Sita - wife of
Ram, Ravana's brother Vibhishan came to Ram and surrendered! Ram
offered shelter to Vibhishan and declared Vibhishan to be King of
Lanka. Ram's advisor and chief of army, Sugreev raised the objection
that there could be some devilish plot in surrendering and that
Vibhishan should not be granted asylum.
Upon
this Ram said to Sugreev, "You are talking of Vibhishan! I
accept everyone who asks my shelter. Even if Ravana comes to me and
surrenders, I'll forgive him too. If I have made Vibhishan King of
Lanka, I won't hesitate a little to make Ravana King of Ayodhya where
I am going to rule."
Another
example is here. Putana went to kill Krishna when Krishna was six
days old. She put a very strong poison on her breast and took Krishna
in her lap and acted with love to give her poisonous breast in
Krishna's mouth. Krishna started sucking milk and along with milk, he
sucked her soul too and made her happy forever by sending her to his
divine abode.
What
it comes to is even as Putana approached Krishna by the intention of
killing him, she was rewarded with divine abode. When asked why,
Krishna replied, "Since Putana took me in her lap and offered me
milk, notwithstanding poisonous, she became my mother and, therefore,
she was awarded with my divine abode!"
I think on one on the
earth would be so generous!
A: what
is your ultimate aim in life
shreeradha: everyone has the same aim
To Acquire Happiness! I feel the way is to seek God.
A: how do you
plan to achieve it
shreeradha: There is no other way but
Devotion!
A: do you meditate
shreeradha: meditation is
something different. Of course visualization of God in some form is
essential but it must be coupled with Love. Just concentration on
some point does not pay!
A: i agree but each person has his own
way
A: ultimately knowledge and love merge
A: though the paths
are different the goal is same
shreeradha: Knowledge merge into
love, not the other way round. See Lord Krishna, how he forgets all
his knowledge when with Yashoda! Crying for her lap! Gets frightened
by a small stick and starts crying to avoid punishment!
shreeradha:
Love has a quality which makes you forget your knowledge and
position. It happens even in worldly love!
A:I agree. Are you an
ardent devotee of Krishna?
shreeradha: Vrindavan is the place
where i go. Devotee is a big post. I'm a small chap who adore
Krishna.
God, Soul, Goddess
God, in fact, loves all irrespective of nationality, religion, caste and creed. He is not very happy to see his children suffer. An important part of spiritual practice is not to have hatred for anyone. We must understand that God resides in every heart. We should never think that anyone should suffer because we love God and God resides in every heart.
Sometimes there is also a vague feeling of nervousness when you get engaged in activities that are detrimental to interests of soul. The reason is each and every action of any living being is directed to make soul happy. If soul is happy, you are buoyant. Otherwise, even if you are standing at the top of mountain of happiness and if such happiness is derived from wrong means, soul never approves it. Soul keeps on pinching you that "No! That is not the proper way!" It is actually the outcome of the fact that there are many pains associated in future with such happiness, which soul is aware of from its past experience.
It is necessary to be bold on such occasions to take decision according to direction received from within the heart!
Regarding 'that kiss below the flute' .... Even flute too, is one of the divine souls who wanted to be with Lord Krishna to enjoy this touch and kissing!
What I feel is there is no distinction between men and women. There is a difference in outward appearance, but inside soul has same characteristics.
Kabirdas must be referring to materialistic ego. That has to vanish before you can get entry into divine kingdom. From your posts it appears that you have a good habit of looking divinity in others. I'm just an ordinary mortal keep on talking big things and not following any of them! Your posts are interesting!
Extramarital Relationship
The question whether it is immoral on the part of married woman to love man other than his husband or not needs some analysis. If the person is Krishna, then of course, it is very much moral to have such relationship. The reason is even love for one’s husband is to acquire happiness. To be clearer, everyone is after happiness. Love is made to acquire that happiness. Krishna is nothing but happiness incarnate. Husband too seeks happiness and therefore he is devoted to Krishna, knowingly or unknowingly. So, the philosophy goes on stating that no can be atheist. Similarly to love a person who has acquired divine vision of Krishna is very much moral. Krishna is husband of even husbands. Therefore, there is nothing wrong to have extramarital relationship with either a Saint or God.
Radha and Krishna
Radha tells to one of the Gopi, "It is shame on me! I seem to be growing character-less. See I lost my heart once when someone played sweet tune over flute. Then the other day when I heard name Krishna, I was in his love and today I saw one boy, so beautiful that I cannot think of anyone else now! O! What kind of lady am I? Having affair with three persons?"
Gopi
said, " Don't worry the boy that played flute, the boy whose
name is Krishna and the boy you saw today are one and the same. You
saw Krishna today who played the flute some other day.”
So Radha
felt relieved.
Radha
tells Krishna, "O! Krishna, don't come near me. Do not ever try
to touch me. You are black in and out. Your clothes are black, colour
of your body is black and mind is deep black. If you touch me, my
fair white colour will turn into black. See because of your taking
baths in river Yamuna, waters of Yamuna are blackish in colour. (If
you see union of Ganges and Yamuna, you will notice the difference in
colour of their waters. Ganges is white while Yamuna is Black.)
ShriKrishna thinks "Is it that Radha will never take me in
arms?"
One
of the friends of Radha, a Gopi, says," O Radha, if tested gold
on black rock known as Kasauti, Gold doesn't turn black but gives its
colour to the Rock. So don't bother accept his love."
And Krishna gets relieved as Radha gives him a loving hug.
Rukmini and ShriKrishna
The kind of love that you can see between Rukmini and ShriKrishna is very much looks like a worldly love affair.
Rukmini was a princess. He had a brother - Shishupal. He was deadly against ShriKrishna. Rukmini loved ShriKrishna and wanted to marry him. Her brother, being against Krishna, would never approve her proposal and ultimately Shishupal planned her marriage with someone else.
Rukmini
then sent a letter to Krishna expressing her love for him and then
Krishna planed to lift her. When Rukmini went to offer worship to a
temple, Krishna lifted her into his chariot and started marching
towards his place. Seeing this Shishupal waged war and got defeated
ultimately. Rukmini then married Krishna. With all this spice, it
looks like a typical love story of a motion picture.
Rukmini was
Goddess Laxmi. She wanted to get entry into divine RAAS but was
denied the entrance. This shows that Gopis of Vrindavan who loved
Krishna and had extramarital relationship with him, were at higher
level in Spiritual Realm.
5. And after death, of course, there will not be any connection between souls. Each soul has to bear all consequences of his deeds all alone. No one can come to rescue.
Thus it
is very clear that Soul-Soul (Material) relation is very weak, offers
almost no protection and all that you get in return is momentary
happiness. We have already seen that such relationship cannot remain
favorable all the time. There are many occasions in which unwanted
feelings like hatred, tensions, grief capture mind, as the outcome of
such relationship. I, therefore, advocate that one should shun
Soul-Soul (Material) relationship for one's own enjoyment.
Second
type of relationship is Soul to inanimate Substances. This type of
relationship is very much necessary, for no one can live without
intake of food, air and water. To earn the basic needs of life, one
will have to establish contacts with other individuals as well. It is
necessary to restrict this relationship only to the point where all
basic needs are met. One must not seek enjoyment from intake of
inanimate substances through any of five senses- eyes, ears, nose,
tongue and skin.
Let us see the third relationship, Soul to God.
Soul to God relationship has sound base in that Soul resides in God while one Soul does not reside into another soul. God provides basic infrastructure for activities of soul. Even the life of soul is derived from God. That is, if soul is regarded as body, God is its life. Soul would be without any life without association of God, just as body becomes dead without association of soul. Let us try to see different aspects of this relationship.
1.
God supports soul.
2. Soul resides in God.
3. God imparts
liveliness to soul.
4. God, through one of his powers known as
Maya, provides Body, Mind and Intellect to soul.
5. Soul imparts
liveliness, which he received from God, to his Body, Mind and
Intellect to perform their functions.
6. Because God makes soul
with full of life, God is Father and Mother of Soul.
7. Because
God keeps constant contact with soul, God is only true friend of
soul.
8. Because God takes all care of soul like a husband does
for his wife, God is the only romantic partner of Soul. It is also
said that anything that is pleasing in this world derives its
pleasant nature from God. Thus God is the base for any kind of
happiness that soul gets.
9. God keeps all records of past
actions, present actions, their effects and execution of effects.
This enables soul to strive for its betterment. As without such
scheme, soul would never advance in any direction.
10. God helps
soul to purify the mind.
11. God makes soul permanently happy once
the heart is purified.
You
will thus notice that Soul to God relationship is much superior to
Soul to Soul relationship. It is free from all disadvantages of Soul
to Soul relationship on following accounts.
1. God has reservoir
of infinite happiness and hence does not expect anything from Soul.
Soul is in search of such happiness, which is available with God. God
wants to make soul happy and Soul wants to be happy. Thus, there is
no clash of motives. Therefore, this relationship will never end,
once rightly established through the pure heart.
2. God is with soul for 24 hours a day and 365 days a year through out lifetime of soul and in all lives. Thus, God can take complete care of Soul anytime, anywhere. Even after the death, God does not leave soul alone of its own. God is with Soul all the time.
3. Since God makes a note of all ideas of soul, there is no question of deception. Soul never has to worry whether his efforts will be paid off or not. God does not depend on witnesses or circumstantial evidence for giving judgment. The court of God decides everything from the first hand information, received from every mind. No one can deceive God from outward actions. You, therefore, are confident that your efforts will receive appropriate award at appropriate time.
You would ask, "What about relieving from sufferings?" God can do that provided proper access is given to him to different parts of mind. To give him access, all that you have to do is to remember him. In fact, on total purification of heart, God burns all your past sins and other deed so that you are set free of their bondage and effects. However, there are some limitations in Soul-God relationship. They are-
1. God is not visible. He does not communicate with you as any other human-being does. Therefore, many times you need to take decisions according to what you feel right and most of the time mistakes are committed owing to lack of proper guidance. It is true that if you constantly remember God, he WILL take care of your well being, but it is almost impossible for a beginner to remember God continuously. And the moment you forget him, you are on your own, prone to make only wrong decisions.
2. He does not explain you what he meant when he wrote different scriptures. The interpretation is left to you and because you don't have divine vision or intellect, your interpretation is ought to be wrong.
Both these disadvantages disappear in Soul-Soul (DIVINE) relationship. By divine Soul I mean the one who has acquired knowledge of God.
So, what comes out is the best relationship from point of view of seeking divine happiness is Soul to Divine Soul. That is Disciple to Guru! It does not mean that Guru is giving you something, which God cannot, the main advantage lies in ease with which God's love can be attained by the directives that Guru gives you from time to time.
Charvaak
I think you are not talking of seeking of God and permanent happiness! All my posts are directed towards it. In Hinduism too, there are people who believed in sensual indulgence, for example Charvaak, who said, "Live happily till you are alive. Borrow the money and drink wine and don't worry about repayment! This body eventually turns into ashes. Rebirth is out of question!"
It
is not possible to get divine knowledge of God unless you have
complete detachment from this world and from other material persons.
This world is not a place to love but to perform duty and love must
be directed to god!
I have only one thing to add. Anger, Greed, sexual urge etc. are shortcomings of human race and it is not possible to conquer them unless Lord's grace is sought. All of them are dangerous because one is connected to another. Spiritual aspirant may try to control them but unless efforts are made to remember God, these shortcomings will not get out of the heart. Constant remembrance purifies the heart. When one eventually gets divine vision through grace of God, it is possible for any one to get rid of these shortcomings. One of the reason of invincibility of these shortcomings is they have origin in Maya and as long as Maya is there, no one can even think of conquering them. And Maya works according God's direction. Thus, it is necessary to surrender ourselves to God or to a Saint so that Maya receives order from her controller to relieve you from her clutches.
With
you and your love
Wide open is
The ocean of beauty and
love
Mind becomes a dove
And seeks every pearl of love!
Pearls
of tears of extreme happiness
And of extreme sadness speak my
love!
Pearls of your words
Pearls of feeling of
Reverberating ecstasy
Sprinkling all over
my body and
mind
Take me away from all mankind!
You came and you
went
Stripping me of my vitality
How do I forget
Those
loving embrace and loving looks
and loving talks and loving
moods!
Those loving sounds of loving music
and loving
dances on loving tunes
Mind awaits with passion to get
back
those loving experiences
of those loving days along with you!
O!
Krishna, come very soon
Your loving memories
Will make me
appear fool
Come with your flute
RASS is what takes
My mind
again and again to you.
Very well said! Actually, one should not think of leaving club just because few messages are out of place. The best way is to ignore. You must have observed reaction to deleting the messages!
There are many people, who decide that there is no God because others are engaged in sinful deeds and are living without any problems! That I suppose is not correct! I would like to narrate a story about a person who was seeking God. He went to outskirts of a city and started living in a small hut. He used to spend his time in chanting the holy name of God. After few days, a prostitute came to stay in that area. Spiritual aspirant would daily observe people going there and could not help thinking, "See this sinful lady! Committing sins everyday! Spoiling young children!" The continuous thinking on this line diverted his attention from God. And when death came, Yamdoot (Persons who take out soul from body) took him out of body and headed towards hell! He was shocked. He said, "Look! I have chanted so much of Lord’s name and you are taking me to hell? How can you do that?" Yamdoot replied, "Well, it is true that you spent a lot of time in chanting God's name and you WILL get effects accordingly, but that does absolve you from sin of thinking of evil of prostitute. You should have remained neutral to her. When you think of evil person, the evil personality penetrates into your heart and maligns your heart further. First you bear fruits of your sins and then that of devotion!"
According to Indian philosophy soldiers who die while fighting their enemy, get place in heaven. Leave that part for a while. They took a lot of pains in their camps doing exercises and bear all sorts of tensions arising out of fear of death while fighting. Nevertheless, they do not get anywhere near God! Similarly, blue collared workers live in hardship and bear excessive physical strains; still they are not anywhere near God! Of course, they are well placed compared to sinful persons, when it comes to effect of deeds, yet God is not within their reach. What could be the reason? It is because they act for themselves. They act for country. However, they do not think that ‘I am doing this work to please God.’ Mind is not diverted to God. Mind thinks only of materialistic pleasures!
To achieve God through day-to-day work, whatever it may be, one must try to realise that God is watching each and every act and therefore one should behave in a way that pleases God. Try to visualize God in some form or other. Remembering him is most important of all.
As long as mind is there, there will be desires! Whichever way possible, absolutely whichever without any restriction, one should try to keep mind engaged in God. That only counts. The first step would be to arrive at conclusion that there is no happiness in the world and to arrive at this conclusion, repeated contemplation on nature of this world and short-lived happiness is essential. Desires are generated if there is a decision that there exists happiness in fulfilling those desires. Therefore, to control desire decision about existence of happiness is most important. You know very well that mind cannot overrule intellect's decision. For example you might find cricket to be enjoying but if there were an examination for which you have to appear next day, you would study and not keep on watching game. That is mind does the work according to the decision that is passed on to it by the intellect! So to control desires, thorough study of God, Soul and this world is necessary! With sex, no one has yet claimed that he or she is fully satisfied forever. Because sex lacks the attribute of infinity, whether it is legal or illegal. If one achieves God, he or she claims full satisfaction for infinite time without any sorrow, suffering, tension, boredom of any sort thereafter! It is better to be controlled than to be uncontrolled but even in controlled state diversion to God is essential. Otherwise there is no scope to get rid of cycle of death and birth.
Today is Sharad Purnima. Today is BIRTH DAY of Person in Photo, Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji. Let us wish him happy Birthday! HAPPY BIRH DAY TO YOU, PAPA! On this night about 5000 years ago Lord Krishna along with Shree Radha arranged divine dance of RAAS with Gopis of Vrindavan. In this dance, every Gopi was so deeply immersed that each of them felt that Krishna was dancing with only her and with no one else. On that night first Krishna played his divine flute to send invitation to all Gopis to forest where he was already present. Soon after listening the music of Krishna's flute all Gopis hurried to makeup their faces and to wear beautiful dresses and ornaments. And went to Krishna in the forest. He gave them cold welcome and said, "Why are you all here? Oh! I understand, to see this beautiful light of full moon and to see these beautiful blossoming flowers! Now that you have seen them go back to your house and serve your family members." No Gopi moved from the place. Then Krishna told, " See you should not have illicit relations with a man other than your husband. In such cases you may have to go to hell! A lady, who worships her husband and remains loyal to him, gets place in heaven and all others worship her! So go back and serve your husband! Take care of your children and other family members! Now be quick and go back!"
There are many stories, which bring out the power that a woman gets from having total fidelity to her husband. One such lady was doing some work, which involved beating of foodstuff with very thick cylindrical wooden rod. Action involves throwing rod into air and then letting it fall on the food grains. Her husband asked a glass of water. At that moment the rod was in the air. In order to serve her husband without any delay she got up immediately and fetched a glass of water to him. Meanwhile, the rod remained in the air! So, Krishna tells Gopis, "Such ladies are even worshipped by everyone and with promise of heaven, you should imitate such examples." Gopis were silent till this point knowing that Krishna was doing everything on purpose and there was no point in exacerbating the situation. It is a common experience that if wife and husband both start shouting at each other then situation becomes worse. It advisable that if one of the two goes out of sense other should keep calm so that situation remains under control. Since Krishna wasn't prepared to start RAAS, Gopis ultimately gave reply, "First point is we can go back without any problem since that is your wish and we want to see you happy. You should know that senses work according to dictate of their master, which is mind in this case. You have stolen our mind with your beautiful looks, sweet words and pleasant tune of flute." It should be noted that Shri Krishna takes control of mind of his devotees just as someone takes possession of someone else's physical belongings. Gopis continued, "Please return us our mind so that we can give order to our legs to move towards our home."
They continued, "Another consideration is that your discourse is for those who are interested in heaven and we are not interested in heaven or any supernatural power whatsoever. Our aim is to see you happy. Third and most important of all is you are the only master of souls, conjugal partner for all. Because you occupy each and every place no one is alien to you. In fact, those who do not think of you as their beloved are committing crime! And you take care of everyone by sitting in everybody's heart!" Seeing that Gopis loved Him in and out, Krishna started the divine dance of RAAS
In their conversation Gopis narrated a story - There was a couple. Husband was to go on tour for few months. So he asked his wife to worship his photograph and went away. Wife was religiously devoted to the picture of her husband. After few months, husband came back to house and asked her wife to open the door. She would not do so! She wanted to adore the photo even though her husband was present in person! So said Gopis, "Like that foolish wife, you expect us to go and serve our husbands which are just symbols of your presence and wife is expected to serve her other half only if you are not available. When you, who are true beloved of soul, are there in person, it would be our folly to worship the images!" It was a very true argument. God is soul of soul and therefore known as super soul. It is his presence that imparts life to any living being. And spiritual aspirant is expected to develop habit of realizing him in each and every particle of this world. If he is present in person, why should one look into anything else for his presence?
There are few novelties of the joy associated with RAAS. You may be knowing that persons who acquire unity with impersonal form of God experience him as light which brings in tremendous excitement to them. It is called SAMADHI. Lord Shankar was in state of such Samadhi. The sound of flute penetrated into his Samadhi and the sweetness of sound was so appealing that Shankar ji gave up his Samadhi and went to Vrindavan where Krishna was present and asked permission for entry into the RAAS. Gopis went to Shri Radha to tell about it. Radha ji replied, "He can come to RAAS only if he turns himself into a lady." So Shankar ji became a woman and got entry into RAAS.
When a person gets divine joy of Krishna, many outward signs like shivering, sweating, tears, falling unconscious etc., are visible. In RAAS Gopis were getting the divine joy of highest possible level which included embrace of God, no one went out of senses. All music was played according to tune, there wasn't a discordant note, and dancing steps were not missed! To bear such joy and still to perform actions without any disturbances was something surprising! Still it happened that way!
Krishna gave special power to Gopis to bear such joy! Let us love him and try to get entry in his dancing night of RAAS!
So the RAAS continued. With hand in hand, on tunes of sweet, melodious and exciting music, Gopis were fully immersed in the transcendental joy Krishna's beauty. They were intoxicated to touch Krishna's lips and even forgot that there were many of them having dance with Krishna. This gave every Gopi a feeling that Krishna loved her most as each of them thought that Krishna was dancing with only her and preferred her to others. As RAAS continued, all of them developed feeling of pride. They thought, "O! Look at me! Lord of all is so much infatuated by my beauty! Everyone is after Him including spiritual magnates like Bramhma, Vishnu, Shankar, Laxmi and so on, not to count Gyanis, Yogis and other Gopis! He wants to hold me in his arms.... Oh! I rule over him in totality. He is behaving as I want him to behave, because he is asking my love and to get that love he doing as I am telling him to do." By the way in RAAS Krishna followed instructions of a Gopi about various dancing postures.
Radhika ji was also present with all Gopis. Looking at the state of Gopis, Krishna vanished along with Radha. Gopis became totally stupefied. Loss of reservoir of excitement made them like a person who had lost his total wealth. They were gasping for Krishna like a dying man gasps for air. They started searching their lost paradise having no idea as where Krishna was hiding and went on asking even trees and creeps about whereabouts of Krishna. In his separation they went on embracing trees and started acting like Krishna did when he was present. They reached a condition of total madness! None of them had any awareness of disheveled clothes. After searching him for a while they found Radha alone weeping for Krishna. Krishna had left Radha too. When Krishna went along with Radha, after they traveled some distance, Radha who was under the effect of divine drug of ecstasy of love, told Krishna, "Oh! Krishna, I cannot walk any further. You take me on your shoulder!" "Ok" said Krishna and sat down to make way for Radha to climb on his shoulder. As Radha was taking steps to sit on his shoulder, Krishna vanished from that place too leaving Radha alone. Gopis felt little relieved to see Radha in same state of theirs as it happens in this world. A person's grief gets little reduced if he sees another person in the same sate of grief.
While Gopis were searching Krishna, Krishna decided to test them. He appeared there in form of Maha Vishnu with four hands holding Shankh (Conch) Chakra (revolving, circular, sharp edged, indented disk), Gada (Club- a metallic weapon to hit enemy) and Padhm (Lotus). All Gopis felt awkward to see a strange man among all women, who were not even appropriately dressed, as clothes were not in proper place because of dancing. Somehow they put on their clothes and asked the stranger, "Who are you? Don't you feel ashamed to be among all women, that too, at such late hour of night? When they are in near nude state?" "O! I am God. You all were searching me, right? Now I'm there in front of you. So accept me as your beloved." Gopis were perplexed. One of them asked God, "Ok. We accept that you are God. God can do anything. So we ask you to send Krishna back to us." Krishna then appeared in his original form and RAAS continued till next day morning.
O! My
Krishna!
As days pass by
With dwindling hope of your
sight
I come to the conclusion
Love is not the way of
life!
Nothing looks to be appealing
To the senses which
are deeply
Engrossed in imbibing wine divine
That flows from
every part of your profile!
Why you are so charming
that
Everything else becomes charm-less
Why you are so
attractive that
Every thing else becomes lusterless!
Why
are you so loving
Making other’s love ineffective
Why are
you so ruthless
You even return not
to put stop to the tears
that flows continuously!
There is a hope Love gives
You
will be meet me again
On some turn of life
It puts check on my
soul
To leave the body without life!
May you be
blessed
Wherever you are
May you receive love
From the
contacts you have
To me every thing is your delight
Your
smiling and cheerful face
Is what on which I live
Please be
happy
Without caring for me!
Point
1:
Since Love is possible only if there is no feeling of awe for
any personality, we need to consider God without his opulence. Think
of him as a person like you. (Except two things: He is there
everywhere and he is divine. It is necessary to keep these attributes
in mind to distinguish Him from other worldly beings.) You can have
any relation that you like. He can be your Beloved and you are his
darling, He can be your friend and you are his, He can be your son
and you are his mother, He can be your master and you are his
servant.
Point 2:
You should long for his happiness. No restrictions are put on his behavior. It is extremely important not ask any worldly favors from him. He being all knowing knows about your conditions and He being all caring takes your complete care without any of your requests. Complete faith must be placed in Him. Prosperity or adversity should not affect your love for Lord.
Point
3:
Someone, who asks worldly favors from God, is not very clear
about where lies the happiness. You must understand that God and
happiness are synonyms. God is happiness - eternal, infinite and
Happiness is God. If mind expects worldly happiness, it cannot love
God. Mind then thinks of God as means of achieving worldly happiness
through different ways and goes on demanding different grants. Love
rises above begging and thinks of happiness of God.
Point
4-
One, who demands worldly happiness from God, is not aware of
true nature of such happiness. After fulfillment of one desire
another desire will be ready. There is no end to it. Since it is not
possible for mind to stop making desires, one can cultivate desire of
satisfying Lord. His happiness then becomes your happiness. Devotee
does not have his own happiness per say, his happiness lies in seeing
Lord happy.
Point 5.
One should love only God and not love anyone else. God can give shelter only to those who rely on him and only on him and not on anyone else. Perceiving God is his real form of infinite happiness is not possible until one gets divine power to sustain that happiness and divine vision to see God. To achieve that stage, concentrated efforts in one direction are essential. From this viewpoint too, one must think of God, talk of God, try to see God thru visualization, dream of God, hear of God and expect his touch thru the skin and try to develop desire to seek sweet perfume of his body. That is, all five senses should be directed to seeking God.
Few
praise
Others criticize
To Me
Lord is my life.
In a
Hindi motion picture- Beloved tells his darling, "You touched my
mind and because of which I find the world loving place and full of
flavor."
Actually it should have been, "You touched
my mind and because of which I find everything in the world, other
than you, totally boring and without any flavor!"
Love never decreases and something that decreases can never be love! Actually, love always keeps on increasing!
There is one song form a Hindi Film. It says "I commit only one crime every time. That crime is because I am a human being I love other human being." The song has sarcastic connotation. But it is very much true literally. Human beings are supposed to love Lord and perform duty in this world. We do opposite, Love other fellow beings and perform duties of going to church and other sacred places!
Our Problems
1. Lack of knowledge that there resides vital element in our body known as soul
2. In the absence of such knowledge, all efforts are concentrated on seeking happiness through senses.
3. Since senses cannot get satisfied forever, search for happiness continues for infinite duration.
4. Indulgence in sensual pleasure makes heart further impure and soul drifts further away from God.
5. Grip of sensual pleasure gets further consolidated.
6. Intellect, under the pressure from habits of mind, decides against any divine authority.
7. Person becomes atheist without having any faith in scriptures, God and Saint.
8. Accumulation of wealth and other assets help in nourishing ego.
9. Out of ego, person engages himself unscrupulously in sinful acts.
10. Thus one commits suicide or kills all the interests of soul and subject himself to nerve breaking pains.
11. Because of suffering from such past deeds, person tends to blame of God of injustice and goes away from God still further.
12. The cycle continues!
Solutions
1.
If we can correct
the basic mistake of associating 'I' with body instead of soul, every
thing will fall in place. All the relations - father, mother, spouse,
children - are related to our body and not to souul. Soul has only
one relationship and that is with God. In fact, soul lives on support
of God. In other words, God is soul of soul.
One might wonder how
a big elephant could have life of an ant. The answer is soul spreads
his liveliness over the body which it is confined to. Body acts as
boundaries of field of the soul. Different inputs can be received
from different devices of five senses.
Light spreads in the room
in which it is lit. Soul acts in the similar way. Soul is smaller
than any smallest particle that human being can conceive of. Another
point is it is divine in nature. These are the reasons why no one can
see soul escape body at the moment of death.
Reply to Objection on Philosophy
Sorry I took so long to reply. First point is if I take the information from any book or from Internet, I would not post it as my own creation. There is tendency not to accept my writings as my own. I don't know reasons for that. The PHOTO at the club site is of SHRI KRIPALU MAHAPRABHU. Many of my posts are derived from his teachings. Sometime I do repeat his words but not in the post of PHILOSOPHY. If you see net talk, which is collection of my posts at divine love club, you would find a mention that it is based on works of Shri Kripalu Mahaprabhu.
Second point is whatever I wrote under the heading of philosophy is perfectly OK. Your disagreement with it does make it incorrect. The Logic behind my posting is consideration of SOUL or SPIRIT. My philosophy is based on it. For Soul, there is only one support and that is of God.
The philosophy, which does not consider God, ends you up in graveyard. If you want to end up there, you are free to select that path. Only those persons who acquire knowledge of god have access to infinite and eternal happiness. they are the only ones who cross boundaries of death.
Philosophy
Philosophy is most important aspect of the life. Without Philosophy, life is just hanging between birth and death without any meaning.
Philosophy is the way of acquiring fullness or completeness of the most important feeling of happiness or excitement.
Philosophy is the way of living life.
Philosophy is the way to bring happiness to others indirectly.
Philosophy is the action of crossing boundaries of birth and death.
Philosophy is the experience of love of our most beloved God.
Philosophy is the realization of onward journey of soul.
Philosophy comes to us through grace of God.
Let us be philosophical in our thoughts and in our actions. Let that happiness flow through us continuously. Let us pray God to make us capable of entering in the divine realm.
Focus
It is for individual to decide which way he wants to focus in the spiritual path. There are many views and opinions about God. The view of ROMATIC LOVE with God is something new to most of the new comers. However, in India it is very common and there were many saints who worshipped God through romantic mood. There is difference between Love and Sex. Love is to think of happiness of God while sex is satisfaction of your own lust. This club is about discussions on topics related spiritual aspects of life. The objective is to emphasize need of God realization. To make people aware that unless they focus their attention on God, one can never get real happiness which is of infinite in magnitude and eternal in existence.
ShriKrishna
About 5000 years ago Lord ShriKrishna took birth in India in the city of Mathura in a jail where his parents were held captive. Rain was pouring very heavily. Thundering and lightening was at its peak. Soon after his birth, all policemen fell unconscious and doors of the jail opened automatically. His father took him to near by town - Gokul across the river Yamuna. ShriKrishna put and end to sufferings of his parent eight years after by killing the wicked king of Mathura - Kansa.
Happy birthday to you ShriKrishna! I, on behalf of our club members (provided no one has any objection), wish ShriKrishna a VERY HAPPY BIRTDAY. And invite Him to our club to shower his Love on us!
Priority
In order to assign first priority to God, sound philosophical base is necessary. There are very few who have natural inclination towards God. All others will have to think seriously over nature of this world and worldly objects to arrive at conclusion that God is the only one who is their eternal companion and no one else other than God could be the companion.
Ways and Destination
You are true to some extent. All roads do lead to Rome but there are different houses in Rome itself. Similarly there are many paths leading to God but the individual destination in the infinite realm is different. The reason is infinite God is infinite in infinite directions. Because of which, there are many levels of spiritual happiness.
Objectivism
It is very much similar to idol worship in which inanimate object of clay or stone or even for that matter a picture is personified as God. If you see any picture of Krishna and believe him to be all- powerful God, you have come a long way in attaining God. With such firm belief that the inanimate idol is Krishna, many are successful in crossing the dreadful cycle of death and birth. One point of distinction is inanimate objects cannot change their properties. For example, clay cannot have attributes of chocolate. Clay cannot turn into chocolate even if you wish. However, there is difference with God. God is all-powerful and all-knowing. He resides in your heart as well as in the idol, which you worship. Which means he can respond to you according to your worship. That is not the case with other inanimate subjects which do not possess any means to know what is going on in your mind and because of which they cannot respond to your love to them.
Astrology and Spiritualism
A look into future is the job of astrology and you don't need any spiritual power for that. It is a science like mathematics. While spiritualism deals with seeking eternal and infinite happiness, astrology deals with rather useless exercise of prediction of future! Hindu scriptures go far deep into the causes of the life and the world. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can explain the diversity, which is found in this universe except the theory of rebirth. There are many persons who don't believe in it, there are many people who don't believe in God. World goes on. Life after life same search is on. No success is met, yet ego does not allow right things to be accepted. No courage is shown to assimilate the correct way of acquiring God! Death puts blanket on your life. Even human form is forfeited! Still when in human form, boasting does not end! No hard feelings please. These are few of the facts, which are difficult to face.
Residents of earth
We, residents of this earth, are really a very funny collection!
First we are not ready to believe that there could be something, which is beyond the reach of our small, tiny intellect. Even if presence of God is accepted, He is thought of as an instrument through which worldly happiness can be acquired. No efforts are made to understand our relationship with him! If such relationship is accepted, doubts are raised over usefulness of saint as guide although everyone knows that it is Saint who tells us about existence of God and God is not visible unless the path told by some saint is adopted! If such need is accepted, we do not accept anyone in his lifetime as a true Saint. We feel, "If I do not know some thing why to make it out? If I am fool, everyone else is also in the same boat! If I haven’t seen God, no one else has seen him! Who knows if there is any? Why to give importance to other persons? Why to obey instructions of others?"
If saint is with us we comment, "Why he is breaking his head with us? He should go and stay there in Himalayas. This is not the place for Him!" If he goes and stays in Jungle, "See how selfish is this person! If he has got divine knowledge, he should tell us how he has acquired it. He should help us in getting it!" If he asks money, "See, I have told you that he will ask you money because he actually is after money. There is monetary motive behind his spiritual talk! Better keep away from him! (Don’t worry even if you will have to die and go to hell as a result of what you will do according to my advice, but just don’t listen to him! J)" And if he does not ask money, "If he knew that our possession of wealth is preventing us from acquiring divine knowledge, he should have asked us to donate!" So in short, " WE, the people of this earth, vow that we will never move even an inch forward in spiritual direction!"
Spiritual Advancement
Hello Doctor!
Have you read the permanent solution? In my opinion, concentrated efforts in one direction are essential for spiritual advancement. I visited your site. I feel it provides for distraction from spiritual path as it provides information on topics, which are not related to spiritual progress. By spiritual progress, I mean achieving never-ending bliss, which is there with God. I always feel that everyone should be happy always. However, the fact is happiness is not there in material objects and relations. The problem lies in understanding this truth. People try to seek happiness through all sorts of efforts. Through playing, through wining a game, through sex, through showing others down, through making show of their knowledge, through helping others, through learning, through watching movies, through securing good position in studies, through acquiring wealth, through acquiring fame, through prestige... through innumerable avenues. But somewhere they meet with the unwanted visitor - unhappiness, dissatisfaction, sorrow, grief, sufferings, tensions, resentment, ignominy, disgrace, dishonor and so on. To avoid this unwanted visitor, the only way is to seek infinite happiness! Answer lies with God. And God is achievable only through love. One must feel "God is mine!" through any relation, preferably as a beloved. For the complete philosophy, please refer to The Permanent Solution at www.geocities.com/shreeradha
By the way, NAMASTE is also a Hindi word and it has origin in Sanskrit and meaning is Greetings! Therefore, it is equally suitable to both occasions – joining and leaving.
Thanks for joining the club.
Paradox
It is true that God is there in each and every particle of this world and I have mentioned it in The Permanent Solution. It also true that we do not experience the presence of God in real sense as it is evident from the fact that we do not get never-ending excitement of infinite magnitude anywhere in this world, whether it is a person or it is a object. That is even though God there in all persons we do not perceive it that way. In addition, there is a tendency to attribute whatever finite and ephemeral happiness we get to God. People tend to say happiness that we get in this world, thought not infinite, is God. The statement is true only to the extent that all happiness has origin in God but all happiness that we get is not God. Because of this fact, detachment is necessary. It means one makes distinction between the world, which cannot bring experience of God and God himself. Spiritual aspirant then becomes neutral to this outer world once he knows that it is not possible to experience the divine happiness in worldly persons and objects. Regarding calling God as he or she really does not matter. He can assume any form. In romantic parlance God is your beloved (HE) and you are his darling (SHE).
Names of God
God is supposed to have infinite names and infinite forms. Everyone has liberty to choose the one he or she likes. Since all the names and forms are God Himself, all of them of replete with divine happiness. God had even appeared as a pig on this earth! Joy associated with that pig is also infinite and eternal, nevertheless. It is similar to a person, who is known by different names in different locality. Therefore, throwing stones onto other names or forms is actually throwing stones on the one you like or love the most, if at all love and liking exists. It is a satanic act. Once you get the divine experience, name does not matter, object, which is God, only matters!
God
You are right! God loves us unconditionally. That is why you are seeing this world in action. He helps us in many ways but many of us do not even engage in thanks giving. Your question "How many would believe if God comes and talks to them?" The fact is no one can believe. Had we believed in saint who is same as God, we would have been in God's realm of infinite happiness by now. Our mind which incapable of perceiving divine God, would never get to know real nature of God even if he appears before us.
World Teacher
Shri Kripaluji Mahaprabhu, whose photograph is displayed on the side, is the only WORLD TEACHER of this age. You can get clarified all of your doubts regarding God and related matters.
You said, "This of course is not to say we shouldn't love others, only realise that it is for our own happiness. Do you agree?"
No, I do not. It is not the correct way to make divine soul happy. It is not love. Love is act of making our beloved happy. In addition, acts of worldly love are done to seek happiness to soul, without knowing whether there exists such happiness in the objects of the love. Soul needs divine happiness - the everlasting happiness - and such happiness can be achieved only through God. The moral is to realise that no one can love you and get detached to the worldly relations. That is to emphasize that everyone lives for his or her own happiness, which means no one can love others, since love is to give happiness to others.
After knowing, that all actions are directed to seek soul's happiness, it necessary to know the boundaries of sensual happiness and divine happiness. Soul would want to have divine happiness; on the contrary, it is supplied with material happiness. That is the reason why soul is not completely satisfied. Divine happiness can only be obtained from God. Not to love would mean losing the most precious feeling. Love is very much essential just that object of love should be God. Shower your love on God. Everyone must do that. There lies the cure. Otherwise sufferings would continue. From the beginning of the history, millions have suffered; no one could do anything about it. Human beings have limited power and the very nature of any living body is to be happy. Which means everyone will be selfish until infinite happiness is obtained. If everyone turns to God, everyone would be happy, as God is reservoir of infinite happiness. As I told you, charity cannot take care of all sufferings. God with his infinite power can take care of all. One should know about him and have faith in him.
Power
of directive of a saint (III)
A fascinating display of capabilities of a saint can be seen through famous story of Valmiki. Valya (Earlier name of Valmiki) was a robber. Killing people and stealing their possession was his business. Once sage Narad was passing through the forest. Valya stopped him and asked him to be ready for the death. Sage Narad asked Valya, "Why do you want to kill me? It is such a grave sin! Do you know the effect of your action? You will have to go to hell."
Valya answered, "I am doing it for wife and children. If I do not feed them, they will die and all of them love me so much." "Why don't you go and ask them if they will share your sufferings in the hell?" asked Narad.
Valya went to his wife and said, "One person whom I met was telling me that I will have to go to hell for I am committing sins to feed you all. Will you go with me to hell to share my suffering?" Wife and children flatly refused. They said, " It is your responsibility to feed us. We are no way interested in how you bring the food. If you are committing sins, you should suffer. Why should we?"
This made Valya to realise the truth about the worldly relationship. He went back to sage Narad and said, "No one willing to share my grief. No one loves me. Now what should I do?" Narad showed him a tree and said, "Ok. Sit here and go on chanting Ram, Ram until I come back." Valya did not pose even a single question like "How long I'll have to chant?" "What is the guarantee that you will return?" He accepted his directives and sat their chanting RamNam. Insects ate his all flesh and he was left with only bones. He continued. At last Narad came back and showered divine bliss on him. Saint has all powers of God.
Feeding
There is a lot of milk with cow still cow cannot derive any benefit of that milk for herself unless the milk is taken out of her body and fed to her again. In the same way, God who resides in your heart should be visualised in the form of a person separate from you to get sweet experience of love relationship with him.
When a saint is involved in charity activities, along with physical alms, some spiritual understanding is also infused into your mind. That is the important part. He might give some means of living, which can be used to keep soul and body together so that spiritual practice can be carried out. People, as it is, are deeply attached to material world and giving anything more of it would drive them further away from God. Saint who is interested in taking people towards God cannot engage in such activities. Another point is nothing is given to anyone against his destiny. Had it been possible, God would have done so for all, for being so compassionate he would not wait till someone asked him relief from sufferings.
This logic is applicable to divine healing too. Why God should restrict it to some persons only? Why cannot he offer healing to everyone? Spiritual practice is a process of healing from another angle. It removes seeds of sufferings from your heart and thereby healing comes automatic. Spiritual practice, which is carried out for bringing in bodily comforts, is actually materialistic view. The practitioner is not yet sure where lies the happiness- in God or in the material world.
Regarding miracles, saint does allow his disciples to know about his spirituality through many ways. However, miracles to draw the fame are meaningless to him.
Search
It is the fact that we are on constant look out for something. Everyone is busy in acquiring something! Name, Fame, Money, Relations and so on! Someone is forcing us to search something thorough this world. Who is that someone and what is the search? Search is for satisfaction, for happiness, for enjoyment. A constant and never-ending search! Try to seek happiness from one person. No! That is not a complete satisfaction. Ok, try with another person. Relations change. Affections and love change. Friendships are made and broken. Search continues. When did this search start? It never started! It never begun! Process of search is going on since time infinite and still we are unsuccessful! Everyone is busy every moment without contemplating on causes of failure.
And who makes us to search? Lord says, "I compel soul to work through Maya, which is a power of mine." So God forces us to make the search. Additionally, he helps us through many ways. What are those ways? Let us see.
He gives power to do the work.
He supplies all the material that is essential to live – food, water, air
He imparts us intelligence so that we can protect ourselves from natural forces through many ways like housing, medicine, fighting instruments and so on.
He keeps account of all the work that is done and gives us the effects according to what we have done. This makes it possible for us accumulate our deeds of past lives and build on it in future, which is particularly important in spiritual progress. It is just impossible for anyone to acquire the perfection in just one life.
He sends is his persons, saints, who have the experience of that happiness. They explain the ways and means of achieving such happiness. They do not stop there. They are after us to get engaged such deeds. Do a lot of marketing with the goal of making you happy. The marketing that we have in this age is to make the owner happy by acquiring money while saints are in marketing to make receiver happy. Again they do not stop only at marketing. When a spiritual aspirant take up a spiritual path according what a saint preaches, saint take care of internal problems that hinder the spiritual progress. This means saint put a lot of efforts into the welfare of disciple.
He comes himself to this earth and perform various actions, which are useful for spiritual advancement of a spiritual aspirant. By remembering Lord’s pastimes, many of the sinners have acquired that happiness, which is inaccessible even to greatest of ascetics.
Many of us do not accept his existence; still God does his work and patiently waits for his child to come back to his fold.
In short, the creation and maintenance of this vast universe, creation of life, creation of laws that govern the universe and the life and further reveal the knowledge regarding God, Soul and Maya.
Way to God
Really speaking, God is a matter of experience. The divine knowledge flows through your heart, which enlightens you about the true nature of the world. It takes you beyond your present limits of perception. Such knowledge of God awakens you from the materialistic drowsiness. You feel as if you were asleep, dreaming all these days and now you are woken up in the divine realm of God. Although while in dream you feel the experiences to be real, on getting up you realise that nothing of those experience was real. It was just a creation of your own mind. Similarly, this world and the associated feelings are true only up to the point where you are not able perceive divine realm of God. Way to God essentially goes through directing your action to purify your heart that is to remove all materialistic desires from the heart and filling it up with only one desire of his divine vision. All enlightened souls have gone through the same procedure and I feel we too should target on finding answer to the question – ‘What condition does God expect to be fulfilled to get entry into divine realm?’ You would argue, ‘God showers his grace without any precondition.’ That is true. He does shower his grace unconditionally, yet we are not able to perceive his grace in the form of divine experience. There must be some problem. The answer is purity of mind. Because our mind is contaminated, we are not able to experience his free flowing grace. I strongly feel that we must concentrate on ways and means of purifying mind or heart.
Sins
As I have been stressing right from the beginning, mind is affected by our own thinking. For this reason, there are some deeds, which are termed as sins. Sins are those deeds which make our mind so dirty that in order to clear the dirt, sinners are doomed to hell so that mind can regain some capacity to generate happiness in subsequent lives. It is also proved that materialistic happiness is pure psychological one. It is not there in any object or in any person.
Let us take the following example: A person is watching MTV. To start with, he enjoys the music a lot. That joy falls back onto his mind and reduces its capacity to generate further happiness. A stage is reached where no further happiness can be derived through music. That is materialistic happiness keep on reducing on its receipt. Exactly opposite things happen in the divine area. When you see Lord, the infinite happiness flows through your mind, it creates more desire to see him again, you experience the infinite excitement once more, and the cycle continues without end.
Some deeds in material world, which are known as sins have very bad effect on your mind because of which saints direct us away from being engaged in such deeds.
Regarding mathematical deduction of reincarnation, a branch of mathematics is yet to be developed which can deal with infinite amounts. Mathematics cannot deal with feelings while God is a feeling of happiness of infinite amount. It would not be appropriate to apply mathematics to God and therefore to the theory of reincarnation. Logic goes in favour of reincarnation. As I stated earlier if God created new souls then he is much to blame for soul's sufferings. Since it is God's nature being kind, he would not create the universe, which is full of miseries. That leads to another conclusion that soul itself is responsible for its present state of affairs and because many things cannot be attributed to deeds in present life, soul, thorough his mind, must have committed those deeds in the earlier lives. Even scientifically, there cannot be creation of new things which means soul must be there from time infinite and will remain there for time infinite. That is soul keep on revolving from birth to death and to rebirth again and again and again until it surrenders to God or to a genuine saint.
Now, I think you have misjudged me. My contention is God’s Love is essentially of infinite magnitude and happiness associated with God is infinite and eternal too. The fact is we all are after happiness. We cannot come to rest unless we lay our hands on such happiness. The term “everyone” includes you, your husband, children and so on. It is your folly to think you love your husband or your husband loves you. EVRYONE LOVES TO BE HAPPY! That is the truth.
"No husband loves his wife for wife’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to his own soul. No wife loves her husband for husband’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to her own soul. No father loves his offspring for offspring’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to his own soul. No offspring loves his father for father’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to its own soul. No mother loves her offspring for offspring’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to her own soul. No offspring loves its mother for mother’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to its own soul. No friend loves other friend for other friend’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to his own soul. In short, no one loves anyone else for else’s happiness, but to fetch happiness to one’s own soul." To see arguments in support click on founder's home page and then on The Permanent Solution.
The point is one try to seek such happiness through many things including Sex. Sex is satisfaction of one's own lust while love is to make your beloved happy. You do not demand your happiness through sex but rather you want to see your beloved satisfied. Huge difference! Although the act is same! Everyone has equal right to seek God including whores and homos. However, when we talk of deeds and their effects because of which you see various types of sufferings on the earth, there are sins and virtues. There are some practices, which take us away from God, and there are some practices, which take us towards God. From this point of view, we should guide our lives according to saint's preaching which is available through many divine scriptures. And to my knowledge, no divine scripture prescribes homosexuality.
Confusion
Yes! There is a lot of confusion! Confusion about what is right and what is wrong. Confusion about what we are after. Frankly speaking, homo is totally out of context. No religion prescribes any such relationship while marriage of opposite sexes has consent from religious scriptures. If you would want to be spiritual, homo practice must be given up. Another point is even attachment to one's spouse is a hindrance in spiritual progress. This is because materialistic persons and objects will never allow God to enter in your heart. The way is to stop seeking joy from materialistic persons and from materialistic objects and try to seek solace from relationship with God.
Praise
How do I praise,
When word are lost
Deep down in ocean
Of lovely madness
Eyes are pouring tears
Craving for your sight!
Why did you came to me
With all your beauty
If you wanted to deprive me
Of peaceful nights and peaceful life!
Still I praise,
The art of being ruthless
Because that is the way
You make me travel the love bay.
I think the tone of the question is not much entertaining. Maharajaji is the person against whom no one has won the battle of wit. Be it a philosophy, be it a plain logic, be it writing, or be it a poetry he is widely acclaimed among the scholars. Even few doctoral theses are submitted on his literature. Just that his language is not English. He also runs a spiritual organization to help people realise their ultimate aim of divine happiness. All saints act according to laws of life those govern different stages of life. It should not surprise anyone and it cannot be deciding criteria for divine or intellectual prowess of a person.
Reincarnation
The question is not whether few or many believe in reincarnation. The question is whether reincarnation is really there or not. Many people believe in many wrong persons and eventually are deceived. Therefore, belief is not something that should be taken as correct. Logic goes in favour of reincarnation. Hindu religious scriptures unequivocally claim that there is reincarnation. Place, religion and faith of next birth are all determined by what we do in this life. Although many religions do not accept such concept, they cannot tell us continuous flow of souls on this earth. If we say God creates souls and this universe then he would be much to blame as why few are suffering and few are not. God, being embodiment of kindness, cannot make even a single individual to suffer from grief of any kind arising out of bodily ailment or from psychological tensions. Therefore, it follows that God does not create souls all new. They are there from time infinite and will remain there for time infinite either in spiritual area or in material area. If one makes effort in direction of realizing God, he would know realities of this world and nature of soul but there is no way he can render proof of any divine existence, the reason being divine knowledge comes only through divine mind and divine senses. Moreover, I am not trying to judge anyone; I am just trying to put forth correct version of Philosophy of God realization. Any one, who is serious about getting knowledge of God, can see it himself, through some practice.
Someone posed a question, "If we are children of God why then God does not help us as Parents help their ignorant children?" The answer is
God takes care of all by providing all necessary provisions so that everyone gets necessary inputs for survival.
We do not accept that we are ignorant and take shelter to God’s dictate or follow saints’ instructions seriously. Parents help child because child accepts help. We are so averse to accept the help that we reject all the help that come to us from any spiritual persons. That is we do no accept our ignorance and therefore all the help that come to us becomes null and void.
Importance of Mind
There was some religious ceremony in the vicinity where Shri Ramakrishna Parmhansa was living (Guru of Swami Vivekananda). According the custom, there was a huge procession with all beating of drums and other musical instruments. Ramakrishna Parmhansa rushed to watch the procession. However, he could not find anything there. Nearby there was a painter who was engrossed in painting a landscape. Ramakrishna Parmhansa asked him, “Did you see the procession? Has it passed this place?” Painter replied, "No". A passer-by who was listening to their conversation said, "The procession has already passed this place and there was such a tremendous noise that I really wonder that why this painter could hear or see anything?"
Ramakrishna Parmhansa went into trans to read painter's mind. There he found that the painter's mind was so engrossed in the painting that he was making that he really could not hear or see such a big procession! The point is sense cannot work without assistance of mind.
Love
Love is an inferno that burns all material desires and makes way for God's arrival in the heart! Just that it must be directed to God and not to any other person.
Once
a boy and a girl loved each other. At some point of time girl had to
marry to some other person and she told her former beloved, "You
better get out of this house and the lane in which I’m living."
Lover took it to heart and committed suicide! After knowing about
suicide girl said, "I told you leave my lane and you left this
world?" Something like that happens with all of us. If someone
expresses dissatisfaction about our bad habits particularly when a
saint or Guru does that, instead of leaving bad habits we leave
saint! God save us! J
Time
Understanding true role of being human is an important aspect. Otherwise civilizations prospered and vanished without any traces. Time makes all our work, which are not associated with divinity, look like clay toys that break every now and then without leaving any sign of how beautiful the toy was once!
Only if human beings cross the threshold of finite world and infinite divine world, time does not have any effect on them whatsoever. That beautiful form remains intact for time infinite!
Charity
God and his men bring benefit in wholesale to all while material persons, who are engaged in charity deeds, bring benefit in retail to select few and that too till the objective of seeking their own happiness is met!
God wishes to see all his children smile continuously. That's why he made this world. Just that you should know who our father is and what he expects from us.
You
don't have to earn divine love. It comes to you free of charge! But
where can you put it? That infinite happiness with tremendous
temperature and vibrations! Heart, as you know, stops functioning if
happiness or sorrow crosses certain limit. That is because heart
cannot withstand the energy associated with such happiness! In order
that one can sustain divine love, heart must be pure so that it can
be transformed to divine one to get power to hold divine love and
associated temperature and vibrations. And to purify the heart
efforts are necessary! Worldly love is not something that we are
looking for; it does not solve our problem of ever-lasting happiness.
Purification of Heart
Heart does not get purified of its own. God, who is pure, purifies the heart. When one thinks of God, one gives his heart to God and God does the rest. ‘Pure’ can make ‘impure’ pure but ‘impure’ cannot make ‘impure’ pure. For this reason love with worldly persons and objects, which are already impure, further make heart impure. Worldly attachments can be won over only if heart is pure. Thus, it looks like we can never come out of this circle because to over come attachments, pure heart is needed and to make the heart pure, worldly attachments must be given up! What is the solution? Simple! Make divine attachments. Direct your love to divine God and his persons. So, the way to remove attachment is again making attachments! Just the area is different. Devotional practice is based on this very principle of diverting love to spiritual area of God.
Source of Love
If love is continuous giving, it implies that its origin can never be exhausted. That leads you to infinite storage and immortality. And only source of such love is God. The way to acquire such love goes through purification of heart or mind.
In this world, no one is interested in knowing whether you love or not! Everyone want you to get his or her jobs done! You have to complete your duties in detached manner and spare all your love to God. Assume that he is there in the form that you like him to be, as your beloved and just love him unconditionally, without demanding anything from him. Real test of love for God is adversity. If you manage to love him in spite of all the sufferings that you have to go through without asking him to grant any favour but just having desire to please him, to see him, you are almost through! But it is difficult to reach such stage without assistance of real saint.
No doubt, divine love is a free gift, however one must have precious cabinet of pure mind to hold that precious gift! So, we need to work on purification of heart!
If you go on continuously giving it without thinking of receiving (Moment you think of receiving, action of giving ends!), you will keep on continuously receiving it, (Because you cannot give unless you receive it) right? That is what is known as selfless love.
God in a Fix
In Gita Krishna has states, “If anyone loves me, I love him or her with exactly the same amount, the same intensity and the same relationship that the person expects me to love.”
So, that is really good for us. Many of us (including me) have profane love for him. Although we do not love him, we do say that we love God more than anything else. So he should to come to us at least to make love drama (not real love)! To make the acting of love with us! J Anyway, who is bothered about real love? Everyone wants that love should be expressed by actions, it does not matter if it is there in the heart or not! That is, even if he makes acting of love with us, we are more than delighted! What do you say?
I love you!
If you trample my love into pieces, each piece grows in full-fledged love and my love grows by leaps and bounds.
If you reject my love, rejected love comes back to me and adds to the earlier love making it two folds.
If you accept my love, your love comes to me and again my love for you gets doubled. There is no chance that "I love you" to turn into "I don't love you!"
If God resides there in eyes, he will be there everywhere! (Because all that is visible is God's image as he occupies eyes completely and does not allow anything else to pass through.)
What do you think of LOVE? What way you want to define it? Is it just experience for you? Or does it involve someone else? If it does then what is the relation? What is your role and what's the role of other person as you see it? If we have already experienced it, are we looking for something more than that? What it could be? Any theory?
OK.
Love involves:
1. Subject of Love. (You)
2. Object of Love. (God)
3. Love itself.
4. Relationship. (Beloved, Parent, Friend, Master and servant, Kind and citizen)
Love is a supernatural power as happiness (God) is a supernatural power. To experience happiness of such love, one must try to seek knowledge of God. In order to do that, theoretical knowledge as well as practice is necessary.
Happiness
Nothing can be done including spiritualism unless mind is involved in it. Moreover, even spiritualism is one of the ways of seeking happiness. Taking joy depends on state of mind. And, everyone knows that mind cannot extract the same amount of happiness from any object or person all the time. In that post, I tried to explain the nature of worldly happiness and of spiritual happiness.
Love and Yoga
Of course, there is no bar on discussion. Just that one should take into account the differences between Yoga and Divine Love. There is also a wrong notion that all spiritual paths lead to the same point in spiritual world. Although it is true that all such paths so lead to God, there is difference between the receptions of happiness through different forms of God.
Many people dislike my attacking yoga, yoga being the most popular in the western world, and they are not ready to accept the logic that is provided in favour of divine love. Not only logic, many incidences from scriptures bring out the differences between quality of divine love and that of Yoga. Another trouble is if I did not send more than two mails to club members and if club members are receiving more mails as if club sends them, there must be some persons who are trying to misguide club members. I just wanted to request you not to pay attention to such mail in case you receive the one.
Wish
The real aim of spiritual endeavor is to seek the permanent happiness. Since such happiness is of infinite magnitude and is also associated with infinite knowledge, it is only after attaining the permanent happiness one can look into problems of others! At that point, you have the access to the necessary knowledge of handling the other’s mind because you will have known exact process of mind's working.
Really speaking, there is only one solution to fulfill any of your wishes and that is to seek God. Because after seeking God no wish remains unfulfilled, rather mind does create any desire at all.
Two Birds
The problem is that of seeking infinite happiness! The happiness, excitement that never fades, never recedes. Real soul mate is only God because he is with soul as his friend from time infinite. Vedas claim, "There are two loving birds residing in the heart from the time infinite, one is God and another is Soul." However, their love is yet to blossom for the reason that soul is wrapped in the layer of Maya. God is called as Natural Friend of Soul. He, without anyone's asking, keeps on doing the work to bring happiness to soul.
Saint
I do believe in Jesus. He had acquired divine knowledge of The Father - God and which makes him a true Son of God.
However, the point is we are targeting the romantic relationship with God because this is the relationship, which allows us to experience Lord's love fully and completely. To seek such love we must approach a saint who has acquired selfless romantic divine love and who is LIVING. Saint, after leaving the body, is actually equivalent to a person who cannot be seen, who cannot talk to you, who cannot be approached while we need a living guide who can remove our doubts about God and doubts about related issues and who can help us on our way to God. To get company of such saint, one must pray God for such visit. Think of God as our beloved and try to increase love day by day.
Material Love
Although your feelings are honorable, for the one, who is under the spell of Maya (materialistic pleasures), Love is essentially follows the law of direct proportion. Love in this world is directly proportional to the happiness that one derives from the other person. You would realise it from the fact that we do not love beggars on the street. The reason is you are not going to derive anything from them. We love only those persons whose presence makes us happy. There is nothing wrong in it. It is basic nature of every living being. When mind gets purer by constant thinking of God, one can realise how fragile the worldly relationships are! Visualization of God as our beloved is most important aspect of the spiritual practice.
I too do not understand what you are talking of! As a founder I've sent only two mails to the club members one on the occasion of 1-Jan-2000 Wishing all members happy new millennium and other on the occasion of father's day wishing all members happy father’s day. I would appreciate if you could send me mail explaining all about it. It appears that some persons are making anti-club propaganda and I believe that they are not interested in anything like God and Divinity at all. There had been tussles earlier wherein I insisted that any debate should be taken logically and one must accept or reject something on logical basis. Sometimes debates tend to grow into quarrel and I have to stop them by deleting some messages. After all, one should try to put the philosophy into practice. There are clubs, which are devoted to specific philosophy and there is no point in discussing points out of topic.
In my opinion, one should decide about anyone by the contents he or she delivers and not by what others are telling. People having vested interest will always be there. I feel really sad about people leaving this club on what others have to say rather I would appreciate everyone to make judgment by the philosophy, which is being told at this club. And of course if someone finds that they cannot get along with the philosophical ideas, no one is forced to stay and no one can do that. However, anti-club-mails are something that one should not pay attention to.
Thank you.
To elaborate it further, certain state of mind is capable of producing happiness. Say for example, you like watching pop songs. Before switching on the TV, there is a firm belief in your mind that there is happiness in watching those songs. That belief is the result of the thinking pattern that has been infused into your mind since the child hood. Many things help build thinking patterns including teachings of your parents, surrounding atmosphere and so on. When you start watching, mind generates its own assumed happiness from the song. Slowly and slowly, that happiness affects the state of mind so that mind's capability to produce the happiness reduces; at some point of time, it becomes totally zero and you cannot watch songs any more!
That is, mayic happiness, which mind produces, has effect that mind stops generating such happiness completely at some point of time. The sequence is Assume Happiness->Derive happiness -> Change state of mind -> Happiness reduction -> Change state of mind -> Happiness vanishes -> Change state of mind -> Derive pains, dissatisfaction, uneasiness.
While spiritual happiness, which you get after purification of heart, affects mind in such a way, that mind keeps on deriving happiness continuously without the change of state. And, in case of selfless love experience of happiness is ever increasing that is change of state of mind is in favorable direction.
shreeradha: Hello! Good Morning!
A: Good Morning.
shreeradha: I'm from India. And you?
A: I am from Prince Edward Island, Canada
shreeradha: It must be night there? It is 9:30 AM here!
A: No, it fact it is morning. It is 1:02 a.m. I am working on my thesis and decided to give it a rest.
shreeradha: Ph.D. thesis? Which topic?
A: I am working towards a Masters is Nursing. I am currently researching the creation of self
shreeradha: Soul u mean?
A: Love. And you?
shreeradha: I'm working on integrated software for Ph.D.
A: Tell me more!
shreeradha: how do u like divine love club?
shreeradha: more about software?
A: It is interesting. The philosophy behind the seeking of self in other, which is recognized by love or the seeking of the same, is familiar to me.
A: No. I am interested in what you are studying. If you are open to sharing your work.
shreeradha: why not? Are you good at software design and development?
A: To speak honestly, I am not good at software design. However, I am interested in what interests others
A: For example, what is your contribution to self and others through this development
shreeradha: softword? or software? To me all actions are aimed at getting your own satisfaction!
A: True enough
shreeradha: I'm trying to propose a model that is easy to understand and easy to develop.
A: For the purpose of understanding and development. Honorable
shreeradha: and through club I'm trying to reach people to tell them what one should aim at! and how to achieve it? Why God? Why divine love? Why not meditation? Why not knowledge?
A: I am interested in your philosophy. These are thought provoking questions that you pose.
shreeradha: you would find it interesting to read
home.talkcity.com/SpiritCir/whatsinname/philweb.htm
A: Can you provide some answers?
shreeradha: yes! answer to what?
A: To the questions that you have posed. For it is all of God that you speak. Mediation is but an avenue to find divine love. Knowledge is but one form of his speaking.
shreeradha: Actually you need to build base for it. It would take a long time. If u would read those links, we can discuss any queries that u have. In short Love is different from meditation and knowledge! Path of knowledge ascertains 'You are God.' Love is totally different
A: I'll do so. What inspired you towards the path of divine love? How do you perceive love?
shreeradha: I listened to one of the preachers of the person whose photo is displayed at club! perceive divine love? To know divine love one needs divine senses.
A: Divine senses? Do you do spiritual readings yourself?
shreeradha: not only reading you also need to perform practical!
A: Yes, putting theory into practice is the only way to test its effects on one's life. What practical do you perform?
shreeradha: Everyone has to make his or her own spiritual effort - reading, thinking and practicing! Singing devotional song! Think that GOD is the only one who loves you because rests all are working for their own satisfaction!
A: Is this possible for all people to believe in this?
shreeradha: in what?
A: That god is the only one who loves you. What of the people who cling to the belief that their families, mates or friends give them love.
shreeradha: click on those links for the answers because they are quite lengthy
A: I do agree that we all engage in relationships with others for the inevitable purpose of self-satisfaction. Yet, we also need others in order to see ourselves as different in form and to experience love.
shreeradha: r u sure that u are not tired?
A: So, how has your life changed since adopting this philosophy. And, yes, I am becoming tired it is now 1:38 a.m. but I'm still with you. You have had practice at living this philosophy, whereby I am just beginning my journey. It takes me some time to think through each question and statement that you pose so that I can uncover my own beliefs and present them to you in an honest manner.
shreeradha: see it yourself by adopting it! Feeling of presence of God puts you on very high level of confidence! That is understandable! One has to assimilate the theory.
A: Yes, through my research I do believe that I have reached a level of understanding of my self and how divine love works in my life. It is truly remarkable the impact that this has on one's self and how I relate to others in a much more open fashion.
shreeradha: impact of divine understanding u mean?
A: Yes. Yet, because I am not as well versed in this area as you, I speak of it is a different way. I see divine love as the self. And, when you adopt this philosophy all that you see of your creation. What you look for you will find. If you look for divine love you will find it in others. If you look for evil you will see this too.
shreeradha: Divine understanding tells exact problems of the individual you facing! The real problems that are preventing him from getting any divine experience! It comes through only infinite knowledge of the person’s infinite past! Never bother express yourself whichever way you can!
A: There is no fear in revealing ones' self when adopting this position. As you have said: we are loved by one
shreeradha: Child who is innocent cannot see any evil or faults in others! To perceive evil in others is a sound proof that your mind is contaminated!
A: Yes, I do agree. A child is closest to the divine love for it has not had the expose we adults have had through our living that has contaminated our minds.
shreeradha: Not exactly! Child's mind also has human deformities, just they are not visible. They are completely hidden! As child grows up, they keep on showing up! Therefore every person has different thought pattern!
A: Are you speaking in a physical or spiritual sense when you speak of deformities? May I ask you a question?
shreeradha: mind deformities! Yes please!
A: It would help me in my understanding if you could demonstrate your divine understanding of my self and of my problems. As you noted, if one has divine understanding then you can tell of my problems that I present before you. For in my understanding, what is presented before me is of me. What I like is usually what I like about my self. What I don't like is usually a pattern that I must address my self.
shreeradha: First I don't claim to be a saint! Second the problems are unexplainable. For example a doctor cannot make understand problem of complex tissue to an illiterate person! That is because level of understanding is different! Something that is perceived by infinite knowledge cannot be put into finite words! About addressing self, try to see you develop love for God as you have love for any other man and problem of self will be automatically taken care of!
A: Thank you. Yet, are many seeking divine love for a cure? The questions that I have asked of you are often asked of me by others. Some people have love for God, but no tolerance for mankind at all. These people that come to me for answers are suffering. My question to you is this. What god do you feel they are loving? For surely it can not be of a divine nature, for when I embrace this pattern, I am more tolerant and accepting of others.
shreeradha: It is actually cure for all problems arising out of materialistic desires! Although when you love, you don't think of getting your problem solved! You think that God should be happy!
A: Yes, I agree.
shreeradha: Sometimes idea of well being is very different when considered from spiritual viewpoint and material viewpoint!
A: Yes. It is very difficult for others that come to me to understand the giving up of all desires in order to have fulfillment.
shreeradha: Therefore, it possible that saint's directives are not perceived well by common person! But for spiritual aspirant, tolerance is must! At the same time he must have detachment! Firm faith in God that there cannot be any injustice! And desires cannot be given up! They can be diverted to divine area!
A: How so?
A: Give me one example
shreeradha: You want to have romantic relation! OK. Don't have with any materialistic person but visualize that God himself loves you. Thus you have diverted desire for romance from material world to divine world!
A: Yes.
A: And, what of the person who seeks materialist love? Can that same person choose a person of form (materialism) and yet look within him/her mate to share the love of the divine. Is it the anticipation that one will receive back from the materialistic that destroys marriages or relationships?
shreeradha: In doing so, because you remember divine God, he occupies your mind and starts purifying your heart! As heart or mind gets purer and purer you experience more of Devin love!
shreeradha: Materialistic love can not make mind pure therefore problem remains unsolved!
A: So it is impossible to have a divine relationships with another of our form?
A: For it does appear so to me when speaking with others.
A: Then is the materialistic desire an instinct of self-preservation?
A: and, of course, self-satisfaction.
shreeradha: Right!
A: Then it is of necessity.
shreeradha: change of direction is important to purify heart!
A: I believe it to be a Paradoxical Integration.
Shreeradha: which way?
A: We need the materialistic to preserve our species, yet to become human we need divinity. Humans error in dividing the two forms of being into the abstract and the concrete. We teach this to ourselves and to our children etc... We do not teach we can strive for both in our forms.
shreeradha: materialism is must for maintenance of body. Spiritualism is necessary to seek infinite happiness. acting is what relations need! Love is what God requires! To everyone what is needed, acting of Love to fellow persons and real Love to God! Problem is over!
A: Yes.
A: But, to place one within the other to become whole in our purpose and understanding is what frightens people that I speak with.
shreeradha: No need of placing within the other! Just think God to be yours and you are his! No loss of identity whatsoever!
A: Two choices that are often unseen or taught.
A: When I speak of placement, I speak of placing God within myself and my self in God.
A: Therefore I become as one.
shreeradha: No! Place yourself as DARLING of God! The best possible solution and so simple is the approach! Great things are essentially simple ones!
If you love someone you can never think of making him or her unhappy by thinking of you own death. Let her die before you do so that she can reside in your tears, lips and heart. Still better let there be God instead of She!
It is true that materialism and spirituality cannot exist in the same mind at the same time. However, the body and soul do coexist where body is dependent on material input and soul needs divine input. Therefore balance should be sought by making USE of this world to keep body and soul united; not by deriving JOY out of materialistic objects and persons. Happiness or joy is sought by SOUL. Joy is the attribute of God, which means it has to come through God only.
Seeing negative points can be a GOOD habit if it is used to investigate own shortcomings and further to remove them.
There is a difference between the material body that we have and the divine one that saints get after perfection. Only through such divine body one can experience God's touch, hear his sound and look at his beautiful appearance.
Until then, one has to work with imagination and visualization that you have such body and you are trying to experience God through it. Such body is called as BHAV DEH.
There are many instances in which human intellect gets deceived and accepts something, which is non-existent. One such example is of MIRAGE. You feel there is water but it is not there. Similarly, the notion of love deceives many people. Really speaking there is no one on this earth who can love other person. Everyone is looking for his or her own happiness. Sexual attraction fades away and relationships are broken.
Vampires and witchcraft is not worthy of aiming at. The happiness, excitement, LOVE is not available there. Only GOD is the reservoir of divine love. Therefore, to me, one should aim at God. In addition, it is not that he does not love you. He is your best friend since time infinite; you are not paying any heed to his calls. Just turn to him once, giving up all materialistic satisfactions, and see how he comes to you to collect his arms!
Some times decision taken without profound logic base can be disastrous. See the following story-
Five persons were traveling together. They met each other while on journey. As there was no vehicle available all of them were traveling on their foot. In middle of the journey, rain started pouring down. All of them took shelter in a temple near by.
A lightening (which you see during rain) came out of the sky started revolving around the temple. It frightened all of them. They thought, "One of us must be sinner, and this lightening is after ending his life." So, they decided that each one of them should take a round around the temple. If he is sinner, lightening will end his life so that others will be saved. According to the decision, four of them completed their round and it was turn of the fifth one. He was too afraid to go out. All others compelled him. The moment he went out, lightening entered in the temple and all those four were left dead. They could not realise that their lives were saved because there was one with them to whom lightening could not have touched!
God, when created this earth and this universe, made it clear to all that this world is NOT for enjoyment, but one should use it to reveal infinite happiness through realization of God. Every religion states the same thing, “Get the knowledge of God”.
It is actually surprising that because someone commits something wrong, blame is put on the religion on that pretext. There are sinners in all religions and they are all getting energy from God, but that does not make God a culprit!
Whether someone is making a mistake or not, it should affect your decision about God. It should not make you to take decision against God realization. God realization is what we are discussing here. This universe is rotating in a circle. You cannot break it, if you can come out of it well and fine otherwise you too keep on rotating in that circle. Sometimes king sometimes beggar! Sometimes poor sometimes rich! Sometimes beautiful sometimes ugly! Sometimes celebrity, sometimes pariah! Sometimes animal, sometimes plant, sometimes human! So the cycle goes on!
In the universe, all type of persons will be there. You cannot improve all of them. That is not possible. If you improve yourself by purifying your heart and if all follow the same path of self-improvement, everyone will improve, else there is no chance of any improvement on this earth!
It is actually very easy. Everyone loves someone. All that is necessary is to think that God, in some form, which is created according to your desire, is your beloved.
The real problem is our mind is very firmly attached to this world. Therefore we are unwilling to accept presence of God. So, the way is
1. Get theoretical knowledge of Soul, God and this World.
2. Develop detachment to this world by continuous practice of devotion.
3. Surrender to genuine saint who has already acquired such love.
I would request you to read “The Permanent Solution” and “Net Talk” at the following link.
I will be happy to elaborate any specific point if you need any further clarification about it.
A girl of Vrindavan tells Krishna 'O! You Krishna! Don't hold my sari (clothe that woman wears), can't you see that all others are watching? Don't you know that they'll put blemishes on me? You really do not know how to love! Can't you read mind of a woman in your love? O! I get the point now! Your business is to keep cows! You are master of cow keeping! How can one expect you to know the game of love?'
"Munchachalm Chanchal Pyshya Lokam Balosina lokyase kalankam
Bhavam na janasi vilasininam Gopal Gopalan panditosi"
You know! A parrot is free to move within its cage. That freedom cannot be called as real freedom because such freedom is itself in prison. Freedom is captivated. Captive Freedom! So is your free will. Free will is captive of illusions about the reality. Your free will takes some thing, which is unreal, as real and is bound by limits of flesh. Real free will goes beyond limits of flesh. It takes you beyond death, beyond possibility of getting it imprisoned by limits of senses again. Therefore, it is obvious that such free will is possible only if one distinguishes himself from flesh (body with senses) and looks into divine realm of spirit and God. The perception of reality (God) depends on state of purity of heart. Whose heart is 100% pure, perceive this same world in which we are living, as divine place replete with infinite happiness. And there is no need to elaborate on experiences of others.
Whatever is the attitude, whatever is the action, the intention is to derive satisfaction through every action. No action can be performed without the aim of deriving satisfaction or happiness. It is true that satisfaction derived through hatred is not true satisfaction but it is equally true that satisfaction derived through love and sex relationships is not true too. However, the second one is better than the first one because hatred lacks the soft touch that love imparts. True happiness or satisfaction is always of infinite magnitude and such satisfaction is known as divine happiness. Spirit, which is divine, is looking for such divine happiness and God is the only reservoir of such never-ending happiness. The problem is mind, which is impure. Such impure mind cannot sustain vibrations and temperature of infinite happiness. Just as uranium cannot unleash its energy unless it is purified, mind cannot be transformed to divine form to sustain infinite happiness unless it is purified. And devotion is the only way to purify the heart.
The problem, whether there is God (infinite reality) or not, is being dealt with current TPS series of posts. What we are looking for is never ending satisfaction or happiness. If someone gets such happiness, he or she would never come out of that stage because every action is done to achieve satisfaction, which is already there in his or her heart. No one can get knowledge of even a single letter unless is repeated practice is made to perfect it. Knowledge of God needs repeated contemplation of theory. Meditation alone is not going to help unless it is associated with love or devotion to Lord. I would suggest you to go through The Permanent Solution (TPS) at
There are many persons who want to take some action but do not know how to go about it. Through this club, I am trying to come up with easy ways, which are based on teachings of Shri Kripaluji Maharaj, of putting philosophy into action. And I can accept any challenge that if someone takes them seriously, he or she will definitely advance in spiritual world.
Krishna the happiness incarnate!
That is very correct! Finite joy is referred to as Mayic happiness and infinite joy is referred to as Divine happiness. That divine happiness is God. In other words take divine happiness as a starting point. Make a body of it. Name it Shri Krishna. Have beautiful eyes, again made by happiness, on it. Let there be exceptional bow-like, artistic eyebrows, plain and attractive forehead, over which you can put red tilak. (Tilak is nothing but red colored lines in middle of forehead to decorate the forehead). Then there are black, thick, curly hairs embedded in which is a piece of shiny, colorful peacock feather. Beautiful and catching looks of eyes! Everything replete with excitement, happiness – infinite! The complete body and all senses of Krishna are made from such happiness! This is the precise reason why Krishna is called the happiness incarnate! It is not that Krishna is different and happiness is something different and then comparison is made. He is the happiness! Then those beautiful shoulders, and broad chest, which supports chains of beautiful diamonds and pearls. Diamond rings in delicate fingers! Attractive dress! Delicate, soft, smooth and shining skin! So shining is the skin that Radhika ji sees her own reflection in his chest and thinks ‘O! This Krishna has put someone else in his heart!’ And lotus-like feet! Dust particles, which are attached to his foot, are sought by even topmost yogis and gyanis! (Persons who have reached perfection through path of Yoga and Knowledge.) When he walks, there is no lady in the universe who would not throw herself to his elegant styles and looks! What a joy Gopis (ladies of divine Vrindavan) must be experiencing when they get to dance (Raas) with happiness incarnate – Shri Krishna!
Let us get to the bottom of this problem of talking to self-conscious. The processes of thinking and decision-making are governed by mind. However, soul is the true self. It is divine in nature while mind is materialistic in nature. Their languages (Or objects) are different. We always have a feeling of 'I'. When one thinks that he or she tried to talk to his or her own conscious, it is actually the same mind thinking in two different perspectives, that too, at different times. May be with extremely small switching time, which can be of the order nano (1/10 to the power 9) second or still less. Thus, there is no possibility of having any conversation with self because there is no duality of mind. Soul has ever-present companion – God but soul cannot have any conversation with God because it is embedded within the layers of Maya (materialistic illusion). The way to have conversation with our eternal companion is to make heart pure through devotional practice.
When
one performs Sadhana Bhakti (practice of devotion), one must adopt
two ways.
1. Practice in isolation.
2. Practice while doing day-to-day work.
Practice
in isolation involves chanting glories of ShriKrishna, singing
devotional songs with visualization that ShriKrishna is doing the
things according to what is described in the song and you are party
to it. There is a fantastic book by Shri Kripaluji Maharajaji, which
tells how to go about visualization of Krishna's divine form. Try to
develop acute feeling of personal relationship with him. Let tears
flow through eyes. This type of practice must be conducted everyday
for at least 4 hours.
Practice
while doing day-to-day work involves doing work while thinking that
he is present there with you and that he is observing your work. Just
like the feeling that you have sometimes when you sit in front of
someone and do some work. You have a vague feeling that the person
sitting against you is watching you while you are busy in doing the
work. In similar fashion one can try to feel his presence. Another
way is to make appointments with him at the interval of an hour. Say
him “Hi! Hello!” once every hour and again start doing your work.
Bring that period down to once every half an hour. And finally you'll
find that you can remember him every moment.
This is the way
to go about loving Krishna.
I think
you can make most of your life if you could visit Shri Kripaluji
Maharaj and thereafter by guiding yourself according to his
instructions. My posts are mainly based on his teachings.
Answer
to this post was "I am unable to travel." Do you have
problem with your feet? Even if you need support to walk you can
definitely travel. You must spend some time in association with
saint. Then only you can decide about his divinity. Everything
depends on the importance that we attach to something. Where there is
will there is way!
I don't think the post anyway points that there are so many ways as many souls. Way to God essentially goes through applying mind in his thoughts. The devotion or love must be present whatever path you take up. Thus devotion becomes the sole path. You can assume God in any form, assign any name to him but without devotion, it is like a body without life.
ShriKrishna is known to be thief. That is really good for us! He is the one who steals butter and curd. He also steals your heart. Not only that he steals your SINS too! That makes your heart pure so that you can experience ecstasy of divine love.
Another point is, people who call Krishna to get rid of worldly sorrows, can turn atheist one day when they would notice that their wishes are not fulfilled. Because everyone is equal to him and he cannot put someone under sufferings for no reasons. One's own deeds of past lives bring him sufferings in this life. And they cannot be done away with. Had that been the case, Krishna would have done it without anyone's asking. About Krishna's workload, he is already busy in noting down everyone's actions and keeping their accounts! So if someone surrenders to Krishna, his workload actually reduces because for those who surrender, Krishna does not have to keep any accounts! Regarding my helping Krishna, it is actually other way round, he helps me and that too, without my knowledge. So I won't be able to answer your next question "How does Krishna helps you?" And I haven't met Krishna, but I heavily rely on the commission that I would be getting from Him in case someone takes the path of devotion from whatever I write! Otherwise all that I do is to eat, drink and sleep! But it seems you are in deep love of Krishna, otherwise you would not have worried so much about his problems!
Where there is birth, there is death. There is a journey where no one can be your companion. Only your deeds and your devotion to God go with you. Even if someone desires, he or she cannot accompany anyone after death. Life is like a bubble on surface of water. So ephemeral! Permanent satisfaction and eternal happiness can be had only if someone is devoted to God. The ecstasy of that love brings satisfaction to you and to all those who are associated with you sooner or later. A devotee says, "Let me sing stories of your exceptional beauty, charming appearance, loving and affectionate behavior - day after day. Let me be full of tears, tears of love, while remembering you. Let my life pass like that! In your memories!"
"The truth is that any attempt to describe this reality will merely result in the commission of some grievous offence." I think this is not very true. Although is impossible to describe the divine happiness in material terms, many saints have tried to render illustrations to build some idea of divine. Another point it is not denying that Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was Radha and Krishna both in one body, we always need a living saint as Guru. Like Krishna, all other forms are immortal too. However, we cannot derive any benefit from those forms until we our heart is pure. Therefore, one must seek guidance of a true saint to get entry into divine area of Shri Radha-Krishna.
Higher level joy
"Impersonalists such as the four Kumaras and the topmost jnani Sukadeva Gosvami could only begin new and more exalted lives when they completely renounced their previous faiths and accepted the path of bhakti. By the strength of their new, exalted lives they achieved the status of our Acaryas." –
It is VERY MUCH TRUE. If one wants to taste joy of higher level, he has to give up the lower level joy, because only one kind of joy can be filled in the mind at any given point of time. To get the highest-level joy of devotion, one has to renounce faith in all other paths and take recourse to Lord Krishna. Not only that, anyone including a person who desires impersonal Brahman (formless God) can worship God through Bhakti (Devotion). Since aim is not Sudha Bhakti(Divine Love), one ends up in getting what he desired.
That is one must perform Sadhana Bhakti(Practice of Devotion) with the aim of attaining Sudha Bhakti (Divine Love.) And one must shed tears and do not count any tear to be perfect until Lord descends to collect in his loving embrace. Nevertheless, one should not consider his Sadhana Bhakti (practice of devotion) to be perfect until he or she sheds tears.
As I have already written Krishna is powerhouse of infinite powers and all of them are of infinite amounts. Out of all those powers, Ahladini power (power of blissfulness) is most important one. It is crux of happiness. It is love for Krishna. Therefore, Sankirtan (Chanting) of Krishna is most natural. Regarding your last question, I would like to know if you have attended any discourses. There are around 40 preachers and they deliver discourses all over the world.
Both the forms of God – Personal and Impersonal are eternal but they do differ in level of happiness or in level of excitement. The hierarchy of happiness is –
SPIRITUAL HAPPINESS
Selfless (Nishkam) Love. (For service of Krishna) (TOP)
Selfish (Sakam) Love.
Salvation (Mukti)
MATERIAL HAPPINESS
Haven
This World
Hell (BOTTOM)
There are many subcategories but those details are unwarranted. Although salvation lies in spiritual area, it is more dangerous than material area because if one attains salvation, he is deprived of divine love forever. If someone is still under the spell of materialistic happiness, there is a possibility that some day he would seek divine love. Divine area is area of infinite amounts and infinity means something that never ends. Therefore, one who attains salvation will remain under its spell till the time infinite without any chance of acquiring divine love.
Saint
"Acharya mam Vijaniyan Navmnyet KarhichitNamartya Budhya Suyen Sarvadev Mayo Guru"
"I reside in my devotee. He is another form of mine. Don't ever insult him. Nor do think that his actions are based on instincts that govern all other mortals. His actions are divine. All gods are there in Guru. "
It implies that if someone gets a saint, he automatically gets God. Just a matter of understanding! See, if we know a person who is very close to President of America, we would treat him differently from others. Because we think he is influential and could be of much value in need. Or may be he could get some of our work done. But a saint, who is so close to Krishna that Krishna does not decide anything against his wish, receives no importance from us. That is where lies the mistake and we are not successful in attaining true divine love for Krishna.
I think
of you.
I talk of you.
I look for you.
I hear about you.
I
love you and only you
Bow like your eyebrows
And the eyes - reservoir of unlimited arrows!
Arrows of love and affection
Arrows of scintillating excitement!
Just one arrow is enough
To put heart out of rhythm
And where one will be left
When arrows flow endlessly?
That heart which is now with you
Keeps on thinking of next meeting
To experience once more
The sweetness of your voice
And nectar of your lips.
O! You my darling!
Don't try me more,
Come fast and take me
In loving embrace
Or you will find me dead
And life gone!
Although in love you see your beloved in dreams while you are away from him, really speaking one cannot sleep because mind is constantly engaged in thoughts of the past moments, which were passed in his presence. Beloved’s sweet words, beautiful complexion, elegant style.. Every thing keeps on pinning down your heart every moment. You are restless to see him again. One moment seems like ages. This is the stage where one must reach.
Sikhs!
>>"Who, by the Guru's Grace, has Tasted the Lord's Nectar."
Oddly enough, Sikhs do not accept any one as their guru but accept “Sri guru granth sahib” as their guru. “Sri guru granth sahib” is a collection of verses composed by many saints related to God.
Joy
This world is a place where you will find that you can extract two types of joys. First one is materialistic which is transient, which is temporary. Whatever you've said, all those instances cannot bring you joy forever. One cannot keep on looking at rainbow and forget about everything else including hunger, sleep and thirst. While joy associated with God has a distinct aspect that you can experience it forever – It is a non-stop excitement! No hunger, no thrust, no sleep! Just a continuous experience!
I think you are mistaken. Object that brings joy to you is important. When it comes to God, all his actions are associated with joy because he is joy inside and out. If you try to seek joy in materialistic objects, you ought to become unhappy at later stage because joy is not a property of materialistic objects.
For example, there are both genuine and fake pearls. If you purchase one and it turns out to be fake, you become unhappy, although at the time of purchasing it you receive joy of having genuine pearl. Fake pearl does not have the attributes of the genuine pearl although there was similar kind of joy associated with fake pearl when it was bought. At later stage, the same fake pearl becomes the object of disappointment. In the exactly same way, people do feel that there is joy associated with materialistic persons and objects and that joy is similar to the joy associated with God. However, in the end only disappointment results in the form of unwanted feelings and ultimately in the most unwanted thing – death! It is essential to make careful selection before making purchase.
There
was a Muslim fakir. He used to offer namaz many times in a day to
God. Once he met another fakir. Second one said, "What is this
all you keep on doing? Have you had any conversation with God?"
First
one replied "NO I haven't. What about you?"
"I
chat with him every day."
"Why don't you ask God whether
he likes my Namaz?"
"OK".
Next day when second
fakir came back, first one anxiously asked, "Did you ask
God?"
"Yes"
"What was the reply?"
"He
said he did not like any of your namaz"
After listening to
it, the first fakir started dancing of joy.
"I said HE DID
NOT LIKE any of your namaz"
"O! It means that God has
observed each and every namaz that I offered to him. That what makes
me so happy!"
Where is love?
The reason why to look into ourselves is God dwells in our heart, in our soul. Vedas says there are two birds (soul and God), which are natural friends of each other. And they are there from time infinite. When a person has realization of God through devotion, God comes to him as his beloved, as a separate personality.
One must look outside for a person who has divine knowledge of God. Because such person only can tell you how to perceive God, who dwells everywhere, including your heart.
No-No
Do you know what does netti-netti means?
Netti-Netti means No-No! It actually means, "Whatever we (Upanishads or Vedas) describe about God is not enough. We do not know how to describe God."
If
there are references to identification of soul with Brahman, there
are many references to personal form of Brahman, as well. The famous
story of God assuming form of Yaksha (transcendental man) is from
Kenopanishad. Again Vyasa who composed Vedas and Upanishads also
wrote Mahabharat and Bhagavat. Both these scriptures describe God in
human form and propagate the path of devotion. In fact, Vyasa after
making all the constructions of Vedas and Upanishads felt something
was still missing then and there was a sense of dissatisfaction in
his heart. Only after writing the glories of Lord Krishna he could
derive immense sense of satisfaction.
Although
Brahman, Paramtama and God and forms of one and the same personality,
there is difference in joy associated with them. There is difference
in the joy of seeing a sweet mango, in smelling its fragrance and
eating it. Similar distinction is made in Brahman, Paramtama and
God.
Again Brahman, which is just the light that emanates from
Radha’ s nails, is much different from loving embrace of Lord
ShriKrishna. Brahman is called as attribute-less (Nirgun) but in fact
God is devoid of materialistic attributes and he he full of all
divine attributes of love, beauty, compassion etc.
In
earlier posts I made it clear why there are differences in all these
forms. In fact netti-netti means, "You (God) are formless as
well as with form. You're smaller than the smallest and bigger than
the biggest. You are without attributes and you are with attributes.
You don't do anything and you do everything. You are farther than the
farthest and nearer than the nearest.... How to describe you, we
don't know. Words fail to describe you and therefore netti-netti
meaning 'no-no' whatever we describe is not enough description of
God. No-No! He is not what we described just now! He is something
more. We cannot describe him."
Personalities
Similarly there are four kinds of personalities:
-Material
inside , material outside
They are people who do not know about
God and do not pretend the knowledge of God. They behave like a
common person.
-Material
inside, divine outside.
They are most dangerous people. Although
they don't have any practical divine knowledge they pretend to have
such knowledge and can cause a great damage to other people who
believe in them. They have their own ashrams and stay like a saint
and therefore very difficult to spot.
-Divine inside divine
outside
These persons have divine knowledge and always remain in
the state of ecstasy.
-Divine inside, material outside.
This
class of persons has practical divine knowledge but behave like an
ordinary person. Very useful persons! They are saints. Owing to their
material appearance we can consult them and
benefit from their
directions. They also have their own ashrams and disciples. Again
difficult to spot!
If we can properly distinguish between
second and fourth category, our job is half done.
Actually three kinds of statements are found in scriptures:
1. God
is the greatest.
2. God and saint are equal.
3. Saint is the
greatest.
First one is obvious that everything has origin in
God; so, God is the greatest.
When soul acquires God, he
becomes saint. At that moment, God gives him all his powers and thus
saint and God are equal.
Because we cannot see God, for us
saint is the person who can direct us, who can talk with us, who can
work with us, who can help us in purifying heart and thus, from
utility point of view, saint is the greatest.
But all these
statements are not correct. The reason is God is saint and saint is
God. Hence there is no scope for comparison.
Decision
We can
make a firm resolve after thinking over..
Is there any guarantee
that we will be alive next moment?
What is there in short-lived
happiness and relations?
Why not aim at God as your sole
relative?
What prevents us from doing that?
What does it mean
by win or loss in face of death?
Why not praise and respect
creator fulsomely than respecting ourselves?
What is that we have
of our own when body, mind senses all come as unpaid assets?
If
what we posses are assets, what are our liabilities to God?
If
human birth itself is a biggest opportunity, how to utilize it
best?
Why select few are successful in seeking God and not we?
Love and Lovers
There can be four types of clouds in the sky.
First
one keeps on thundering but never rains.
Second one never thunders
and never rains.
Third one thunders as well as rains.
Fourth
one only rains and never thunders.
Thus to love without making
show off (to other than beloved) is another criterion of love
Most important test for love is-"True love remains intact rather keeps on increasing even if there are conditions which can reduce love for your beloved."
True love is the love in which lover derives happiness from the happiness that his/her beloved receives. Lover does not have happiness of her own. True love can exists only if beloved is God or Lover is God. Like God loves us all. We perceive God's love according to our spiritual standing even some times as his curse. But fact remains he can only grace others. Or one who acquires divine love can love God in the sense of true love. All others who are not in receipt of infinite happiness cannot love anyone because all the actions of such persons will be directed to acquire their own happiness, which is contrary to the very definition of Love. Love is to give happiness to your beloved.
Well,
now during separation from Lord, there is crucifying pain BUT since
there is involvement of God in it and God being happiness in person
there is a sort of gratification even through the pain. This is how
pain is related to love.
Self
Esteem!!?? What For? Any reasons? Way to God is in God Esteem rather
than in Self Esteem. A famous quote:
"Love
lane is very narrow, there is no scope for two. Either God or your
Ego can stay there"
The problem
This is the point where have failed since time infinite. We are not ready to consider anyone to be divine. We have not accepted any saint as divine in his life time. We all know that creator is there but he does not come to us in person and one who achieves God becomes like God in all aspects with which we are concerned. All the divine acts of a saint are perceived as acts of earning lives. The donations that are asked are not to earn life but to relieve a person of some of his attachments with money. Unless we accept divine saint superior to us, we would never accept what he preaches and we stay there where we were. Infinite saints from time infinite have come to this earth. Infinite times God himself descended to this earth, but we kept on finding faults in all of their actions. We had meeting among ourselves to discuss negative points of a saint or God. And there where we lost. Instead of deriving benefit of their divinity we earned sins and got pushed away from our goal.
Correct Path
The criticism is not directed to belittle others but to bring out the deficiencies of the said paths so that a spiritual aspirant does not get deceived by adopting something that will not take him to his destination. It is a sort of fact finding. And it should be obvious that in this age there are so many fake saints and fake ways that one needs to critically examine all before making selection. In fact illicit sensual indulgence is one of the gravest sins and you should assured that preacher of such path would be awaiting his followers in hell. Facts can be like a bitter pill but nevertheless they are facts! The essence of any spiritual practice is to divert mind to divine area of God through any means. If someone is telling you just opposite of it, it must be countered.
Regarding
your last question, you might have worked on other paths and your
experiences of divine experiences (if at all there are any) are with
you. If you work on the path advocated by this club, your experiences
will again tell you whether the path is right one or not. It is trial
and error method. But another aspect is any spiritual theory should
have support from scriptures and whatever Shri Kripalu Mahaprabhu
proposes stands very well on that ground. I can only suggest that
there is no harm in trying. But to start with you must get in touch
with Shri Kripalu Mahaprabhu at any of his Ashrams.
Rajanish's statements are totally governed by his morbid view of spirituality. I oppose the very idea of uncontrolled life. The fact is if you give something to your mind, it WILL keep on asking it again and again. There is no end to it. Why did he quote in his lecture or book that "I became aware, visiting India, about two things. One: that to be poor is to be spiritual; and the other: that to be ill, starved, ugly, is to be holy." ?
Just
to fulfill his lust he started something and all lustful persons got
attracted to it. It does not have any spiritual value. He was not
even aware of the fact that mind can have access to one of the
enjoyment at a time - either spiritual or material. Any way, let us
not discuss that philosophy at this forum.
I think it must be made clear that when you love some one you accept him or her with all her faults and shortcomings, knowingly or unknowingly. Thus your mind interacts with all attributes of your beloved and you are subjected to effects accordingly. When you think of God, your mind interacts with divinity of God and thus gets purified.
One small addition, object of love is also important. Love gets tainted by the personality you love. With God as your beloved, you would get access to all facets of love - Beauty, Excitement, Fear of his departure, crucifying pain of separation.
The small addition makes a very big difference, which is world apart! To love and engage in sexual enjoyment with materialistic persons leads you to hell! On the contrary, to love Krishna leads you to divine realm of infinite happiness and excitement.
God who is divine gives you divine character whether you love him or hate him. But love has distinct advantage because perfection through hatred will not allow you to taste the felicity of love with God.
The problem with Radhasoami sect is that they don't give any importance to God, they feel Guru is superior to God. Actually Guru and God both are important. Without grace of God you can't get Guru and without grace of Guru you can't get God. And there is no difference between Guru and God. Bhagawat says "Saint is my another form."
Power of directive of saint(II)
Saint Ramdas was Guru of Shivaji. Shivaji was the one who successfully fought against Muslims to establish Hindu kingdom.
Once
Saint Ramdas decided that he along with all his disciples would go on
pilgrimage for about two months. At his Ashram he used to worship
idols of Ram, Sita, Laxman and Hanuman. He posed a question to his
disciples, "Who will look after them?" Everyone wanted to
go with him and no one wanted to stay back. At last Ramdas told a
dumb looking disciple that, "Look! We all are going to
pilgrimage and you will have to stay back. You must cook food every
day. Offer it to lord and after that you should eat." All other
proceeded on pilgrimage. That disciple got up in morning, cleaned the
room, washed the idols. Put clothes on them and offered them cooked
food. He thought Ram and his family would eat the food. But to his
dismay no one came. He too did not eat. For continuously seven days,
he did not eat. At last Ram along with Sita, Laxman and Hanuman had
to eat what he offered. So it continued for some days. One day, that
disciple did not get up. So Ram went see what was the matter. The
disciple answered, "See, I make food everyday and you all eat.
And now I'm very tired. Now if you want to eat, Sita should cook the
food, Hanuman should bring the necessary stuff to prepare food and
Laxman should clean the house. You should not do anything because you
are master of my Guruji." So everyone assumed their duties. One
day Sita made a sweet dish (Khir). The disciple started crying and
said, "O! My guruji likes Khir very much I want to give it to
him." Sita said, "But how can you go there? He is far off!"
The disciple answered, "I'll sit on Hanuman's shoulder and
within second he will take me there!" So he went to his guruji.
Guruji asked him "How come you are here? When did you leave
Ashram?"
"I left the Ashram just now?"
"Just now?"
"Yes I came with him" and he pointed to Hanuman. Ramdas went to Hanuman. Hanuman told him the story and said," Please come fast to relieve us from our duties". Guruji told everyone, "The one who you thought most dumb person is one of my best disciples!"
Power of directive of a saint (I)
Once there was a person who met a saint in a forest. He approached saint, touched his feet and said, "How will I succeed in getting divine vision of Ram (God)?" Saint told him "OK. I tell you the way, you just don't listen to your mind." And saint proceeded to his Ashram. That person was standing in the forest. Suddenly he realized that he was behaving according what his mind wanted him to do -the action of standing. So he started walking again he realized that he was obeying his mind. Whatever he would start doing; he would give it up because everywhere mind was involved. So he kept on sitting, getting up, standing, walking back and forth and doing something like that. He was stuck up there in the forest. After three days Ram had to go to him. Ram said, "Well! I'm Ram. You are through in your attempt." But that person said, "I cannot believe you unless my Guruji tells me that you are Ram!" At last Guruji came and matter was resolved. That is saint's directive has force to bring God to you.
Automatic
wiping of inscriptions.
No! This view cannot be accepted. The reason is infinite time has passed and impressions or Sanskars are not yet wiped out. They cannot be wiped out unless special measures to purify heart are taken. Please refer to the permanent solution where in due course of reading you will find answers to all your doubts.
http://home.talkcity.com/SpiritCir/whatsinname/philweb.htm
Life can be beautiful only if it is devoted to God. Although I keep on talking about God and Divine Love, the fact is everything is derived from My Guruji - Shri Kripaluji Mahaprabhu. Another point is he has not accepted anyone including me as his disciple. The reason is simple in that to accept anyone as disciple, his or her heart must be 100% pure. Till then one must accept true saint as Guru. And to become spiritually oriented should be aim of every life. Cardinal enjoyment is devil in disguise. One day when soul is subjected to its effects one understands the grave mistake that was committed. If you call me dove (I don't know your sense of it) with the implication that I'm spiritually oriented, then I would very much like you to fall in line. Cardinal enjoyment ends one day but spiritual enjoyment is there forever. Of course we can talk but my line of conversation will be the same that you see in the posts. If that suits you, you're welcome. Just I'm busy with examinations for month of May, after that we can talk hours together through internet chat.
To be or not to be
Something which can help us progress spiritually should be done immediately, as soon as the thought comes in the mind. And something, which is a sin, should be delayed. In fact all acts that take us away from God are sins. The argument behind these statement is, our mind keeps on changing its moods over time periods. Therefore if you delay something that is beneficial to you spiritually, it can happen that mind will change its mood and you will never take up that course. While if you delay something that is bad, again same logic applies and you might be saved from committing sin. Ravana in his dyeing moments told Laxman, "I wanted to build a bridge from earth to heaven so that anyone can go heaven. But I kept on postponing it; with the result, I could never complete it. I should have delayed the decision to abduct Sita, but I implemented it at that very moment when it came to my mind and the result is in front of you. I'm now on the verge of dyeing."
Privacy
There is one old story. Guruji gave some eatables to his disciples and told them to eat it in such a place where no will notice them. All disciples dispersed and went to some lonely place. After being satisfied that no one was watching them, they finished the apple. All of them came back and told Guruji that they obeyed him. But there was one disciple who came back with his apple in his hand. He told his Guruji, "I could not find any place where God wouldn't be watching while eating and therefore I could not eat the apple." So Guruji said, "Only one passes the examination." So there is another important reason behind committing crime - the thinking that what is done in privacy is not known to anyone else. Most of the crimes like stealing etc. take place in such situations. If one has strong faith in God, he or she is well aware of the fact that all actions are being watched. God who is omnipresent is seeing all. And therefore there is no privacy left. And this knowledge of presence of God as witness will act as deterrent to committing sins. Realizing presence of God everywhere will hold you back from wrongdoing.
Thinking
The
real problem then is the purification of heart. Many types of
spiritual practices have been prescribed, but the main point is
remembering God. So long as you can remember him, you actually offer
your mind to him. God, who is divine, purifies your heart because of
his very nature.
When you love someone or hate someone, you call
that personality into your mind. And the nature of the personality
you call in affects your mind. If the person is of sinister nature
you will develop sinful tendencies even if you remember him with
hatred. If the person is a normal person who loves life but not God,
your mind will develop love for this world. And if the person is
saint who has experience of God, you will develop love for Lord
without taking much pain. Thus you must be choosy in your thinking.
It should be very clear to you that you will develop the same
character as that of the nature of personalities you are thinking of.
So easy way out is to love saints or to love your Guru. With
one precaution, Guru must be genuine.
Membership
To earn the membership of this elite class where there is no entry for anguish, pain, distress and the like; all that you need is to take a few very bold and daring steps.
1.Give
a little thought to what saints have to say. Surely, they are no
fools. Even though they are omnipotent, they don’t wield their
power with free will. Had this been the case, none of you would still
be here suffering from unwanted circumstances all the time.
2.Realise
that you are interested in your own happiness or satisfaction or any
thing that you want to call it by, which is no great a secrete.
3.Conclude that for this reason you should not expect real love in this world.
4.Consider the possibility that the kind happiness which has following attributes is a reality.
· infinite
amount
· eternal
existence
· ever-new
feeling
· ever-increasing
nature
5. Understand that only in spiritual world true love is possible because only the one who is competent can make others happy or in other words, love others.
6.think seriously over worldly relations, objects and their deceptiveness and evanescence.
7. Search for guide who has theoretical knowledge as well as practical experience.
8. Till you come across such a guide, go through philosophical books on devotion (spiritual love). The best of which is prem-ras-siddhanta.
9.Divert all your desires and feelings to spiritual area. Desires can be for
*
Visual satisfaction
* Musical enjoyment
* Eating delights
*
Gracious perfumes
* Romantic relationship
10. When you stop having any negative or positive feeling for any worldly person or object, your guide will put the spiritual happiness having characteristics listed earlier, in your mind which he has already transformed to transcendental one on this occasion.
11. Don’t expect anyone to do any magic in this regard.
There
are two ways with which god tries to make you realise that your
search area for the happiness is not the world but he himself.
1.
Through his persons (saints). This way many saints explain you the
reality, offer advice, write books on philosophy, give discourses as
parents think of benefit of their children.
2. Through induction of pain and sufferings - like parents scolding their children. This way is more predominant because these days hardly anyone pays any heed to what saint prescribes.
Understanding
There is a parlance where working for benefit of others is the only way of life.
There
is a parlance where working for your own benefit is the only way of
life.
The
first one is spiritual and deals with infinite amounts. Since no
addition of any kind is going to have any effect on infinity, persons
of this area never expect any thing from others and they can share
their possessions with others without feeling any pinch.
The
second one is illusion because here the kind of happiness that stays
with you forever, constantly eludes you. Any addition of any kind is
going to increase belongings of persons of this area. They therefore
always expect something from others. They tend not to share their
precious possessions with others for the simple reason that it cannot
be done without any feeling of pinch.
Though this is the
reality, all the spiritual persons all the while asked something from
you just to return to you with their happiness. Because one container
cannot contain two things of conflicting nature at the same time!
As
you can see to do this job, there has to be some mechanism by which
spiritual persons can keep aside this infinite happiness for the
duration as might be necessary to tackle the issues related to your
freedom from illusory belongings and attachments derived there of -
which are not allowing you to qualify for any spiritual experience.
Why
then one should proclaim not that all the actions of a spiritual
person are full of grace and only grace. Because just to make you
happy they keep aside their exhilaration, labour a lot with you and
listen all sorts of rubbish from you for no fault of theirs - when
their plans of making you happy fail - because of lack of your
cooperation!
You
don’t enquire eating habits of a money donor when you ask him to
lend you money. Private life investigations of spiritual persons are
out of question. Because their only way of life is to work for
benefit of others.
Understanding
matters - you are the beneficiary!
Divide
I think you are misinterpreting me. See there are children, adults and very old aged persons. All of them require different inputs - physically as well as mentally. Similarly, we have two aspects of our personality Body and Soul. Both require different inputs. Soul requires divine input while body requires material input. The objective is to stress the need for attaining permanent solution to the problem of seeking happiness.
If
you have computer program you will find there is movement on the
screen. With a click of mouse or a stroke of keyboard you have access
to different sources. But they are not the fundamental laws that
govern the behavior of dots on the screen. The laws are laid down in
software and supported by hardware. In the same way when apple falls
down to earth, it does not form the law of gravitation. The movement,
which is because of gravitation, is supported by spiritual laws. What
you get in this life and what you get after this life is all
controlled by spiritual laws. Your birth as human is just one of the
manifestation of spiritual laws. If the life is not utilized for
which it is meant, you will be subjected to birth in other living
species including that of plants and animals. Hence it becomes
imperative to understand division of spiritual world and material
world. I understand that it is difficult to change beliefs overnight
but facts must be faced. Then only one can work out some solution.
There are many examples in the history in which many persons have
successfully tried and sought that infinite happiness. But efforts
must be in right direction. If you try to search milk in water you
will be wasting your time. Similarly if you continue search for
divine God through materialistic happiness, you will never get it.
That is the whole issue. I hope this clears the matter.
The
reason why we are away from God is we cannot think of God and
materialistic things AT THE SAME POINT OF TIME. Therefore, there is
all talk of detachment. Whole spiritual Sadhana and process of
purification of heart is based on this principle and those who want
to seek God must think of him and only of him till the heart is
purified. If you remember God you cannot remember anything else. And
if you remember anything else you cannot remember God. Both things
cannot happen at the same point of time. One purifies heart and other
contaminates the heart.
God
The first point is, God lies beyond reach of intellect. Therefore if you try to comprehend him with reasoning it will be waste of time. Rather than doing that, it better to enjoy kites.
Second
no mathematics can deal with infinity because infinity is not some
number. Infinity is beyond numbering. For this reason mathematical
laws make approximations when something approaches infinity; no exact
answers are possible. It is a limitation of human brain that it
cannot deal with limitless and therefore mathematics too cannot deal
with infinity.
Let
us take up your point of sorrow and happiness.
In
day-to-day life too when you are happy, you are not sorrowful and
when you are sorrowful you are not happy. That duality is mutually
exclusive. It implies that if someone seeks infinite and eternal
happiness, he or she will never experience sorrow because eternal and
happiness means never-ending happiness and happiness cannot coexists
with sorrow. Because happiness is always there, sorrow cannot enter
the heart. Sorrow (Maya) will exist but you are saved from it.
There are occasions when in divine love, devotee experiences acute pain of separation, but because that involves remembrance of God and God is nothing but happiness, there is a sort of immense gratification even in separation from Lord.
Shri Gaurang Mahaprabhu says, "Between union and separation, Separation is better." For other disciplines, there is no separation and they just experience joy of union with God for time infinite.
*GOD LIES BEYOND REACH OF INTELLECT.
Answer
is simple; you must try in different way to cross the limit of
intellect. Get someone else's intellect- INTELLECT OF GOD, which can
comprehend infinity.
*It
is possible to be both joyous and sorrowful at the same time.
At any point of time mind will be engaged in one thought only. You might vacillate between sorrow and happiness with very short interval but both of them cannot be exist at one and the same point of time.
*Mathematics
is of course creation of human mind. And to device mathematics that
deals with infinity, one must have brain that can deal with infinity.
Living as God directs
Let
crack this fallacy of living as GOD directs! God can direct only
those people who are pure in heart because they allow God to take
full control of their mind and intellect. Thus God directly controls
their decisions and therefore actions. For others, because of ego,
God cannot take full control of their mind and intellect and
therefore their actions are self-controlled. Maybe wolfy keep on
saying "What I do is in my masters hand" Really speaking
"What wolfy is doing in wolfy's hand and in no one else's hand
including God." If someone has this notion, one question could
be asked to get to the reality. "Do I have access to infinite
happiness?" If answer is no, you are not controlled by God.
Actually by this philosophy of God's doing we don't practice
spiritual discipline as it involves mental and physical stress in
initial stages. And we find easy way out: "I am not following
spiritual discipline because it not God's wish! Whenever God directs
me I'll go to India. But to go at other places, Wolfy does not wait
for direction of God!" Hope wolfy does not mind!
This is
the precise reason "Why we do not advance?" Unless you
accept the possibility of existence of infinite happiness
(INFHAPPINESS = wonderful joy you derive from above said actions *
Infinity), you will never try to seek the same. And when you do not
begin, you do not advance.
Actually there are two sides of any savings. Either you can earn more and put it in the account or try to reduce withdrawal by controlling expenditure. The Spiritual earnings arise from daily devotional practice; just reading theory and having discussions do not contribute to spiritual growth. That knowledge just helps us to divert our area of work. So that is earnings - remembrance of God. For this we need to spend at least 3 to 4 hours a day in spiritual practice and rest of the time we should try to remember him wherever we go and what ever we do. How can we do it?
Ashram
There
arm three main Ashrams. One at Mangarh about 60 Km from Allahabad in
Uttar Pradesh of India. Another is at Vrindaban and third one is at
Barasana about 130 Km from Delhi -capital of India. Residents at all
the Ashram have their daily routine like Prayers, Arati, Devotional
practice and Service to Guru - SHRI KRIPALU MAHAPRABHU. He is usually
available at these two places or at the third Ashram at Mussoorie
near Deharadun in UP, when not on tour of India. The day begins at
4AM and ends at 10 PM. In the morning residents and visitors to
ashram assemble at common hall for daily prayer and devotional
practice from 5 to 7. Then there is break for breakfast and for
informal talk with SHRI MAHARAJAJI (SHRI KRIPALUMAHAPRABHU). During
this period any one can ask their doubts about spiritual progress and
sadhana. All aspirants treat Guruji equal to God and take all his
directions as command to be obeyed to the every word. After this
break again all assemble for devotional practice and then depart at
about 9:30 to do their service work assigned to them. At 12:30 PM
there is round around the ashram with devotional chanting with Shree
Maharajaji. Then again up to 3 PM devotional practice goes on. After
that there is break for informals and tea. 4:00-5:15 Devotional
practice. 5:15 Evening Prayer. 5:30 - 7: Dinner break and informals.
7-10 Devotional practice. 10 PM sleep.
In the month of OCT there
is 1 month sadhana camp at Mangarh with following timings:
4:00
get up
5:00-7:30 Devotional practice
7:30-8:00
Breakfast
8:00-11:30 Devotional practice
11:30-1:30 Lunch and
rest
1:30-5:30 Devotional practice
5:30-7:00 Dinner and
rest
7:00-11:00 Devotional practice.
Shri Maharajaji has
trained many preachers who speak his philosophy all over the world
and in different parts of India. There are over 40 preachers. They
cover countries like USA, WI, Canada, UK, Hongkong, AUS, NZ, Fiji,
Holland and the like. Any preacher can visit any country if his or
her lecture series is arranged and sponsored by someone staying
there. At present Trust is planning to create two big complexes one
at Mangarh and one at Vrindaban to accommodate as many aspirants as
possible. Although the capacity had been increased over past years,
still people find space constraints due to ever increasing response
every year. For these constructions, there is a call for donations.
Anyone who is interested in contributing to this noble cause gives me
mail at the following address: shreeradha@yahoo.com
Some
queries
Nothing
is true till you see God in his divine form. His divine form is
accompanied by infinite happiness. And on purification of heart, you
get all properties of God like -No death, No disease, No fear, No
hunger, No thrust, No senility, Self-truth desires, Self-truth
decisions etc. Anything devoid of these is not God or Divine Love.
The fact is, until one gets divine happiness, No one can love. Everywhere there is hidden selfishness of deriving joy from other person. We live for joy and therefore we pretend to love those who bring in enjoyment. A small thing to understand! Once you are sure of it, you will definitely turn to God because God is the only one who loves all which means we are also included in his list of dear ones.
I think we should accept that there is one God and there are infinite Souls. Hence the feeling "God is only for me" is not very correct. "God is beloved of all and therefore he is my beloved too" is the fact.
As I've been stressing, we cannot love anyone unless we know that we will receive some satisfaction from our beloved. That is, true love is not available on this earth unless someone acquires such love, which is associated with infinite happiness, from Father of all - God. Thus it becomes imperative to know ways and means of achieving that supernatural love.
Materialism and spiritualism are actually two views of the same thing. Material view is ..My father, My wife, My husband, My children, My house, My property and above all My satisfaction and My ego.
Spiritual view is all souls belong to God. There cannot be any relationship between souls. All our relations are with God. God is the sole energy provider. He is my father, He is my mother, He is my child, and He is my beloved. And His happiness is above all - above my own satisfaction. I can be happy only if He is happy.
You could judge the complexity of loving the creator by the fact that since time infinite we are not successful in having love for the creator. That is why we keep on roaming through so many lives and are not yet in receipt of divine or infinite happiness. Really speaking to love the creator is the simplest of all. You can love anytime, whenever you feel like. You can love anywhere, wherever you are. There are no rules of any kind. You can make the creator assume any form you like. The problem is not of complexity; problem is of understanding. Problem is of having conviction that there is God, who is reservoir of infinite excitement and that he is easily accessible. In short, the problem is of decision.
"I see now that most of my desire for mayic happiness was to win the approval of others that I might feel like someone special." This desire will eventually recede when you'll realise that feeling like someone special is not going to bring you divine love - loving embrace of God!
“I still struggle with the desire for my comfort and laziness however. What are some exercises that you would suggest for this problem?" Laziness is usually outcome of pessimism. You should be optimistic that God can come to you any moment. Even in mayic love, news of arrival of someone you love makes you so active that people sometimes forget their illness! Regarding comfort, you can try doing some physical strenuous work thinking that it is in service of God; like cleaning house, washing utensils and clothes, cooking food, taking fast walk for half an hour in the morning and in the evening. You can also sit erect and try to visualize presence of God with the help of devotional songs at least for four hours a day. You can make everyday schedule and stick to it.
All the mayic desires will get gradually reduced by the grace of God as you try to remember him more and more. So, the important point is mind’s engagement with God.
"What is the difference between mind and intellect?" Intellect is decision-making faculty of mind. It gives judgment. Mind does the job of experiencing various feelings.
I’d like to suggest you to go through a book ‘Philosophy of Divine Love’ And if you find my writings so interesting, Shri Kripaluji Mahaprabhu’ s writing will be much more interesting.
I think it is not very true as far as God and saints are concerned that “Experts give critical judgment about others but they are not critical of themselves.” The reason is they have reached a stage of perfection and we criticize others only if the person is imperfect. A person can commit deeds of ignorance or selfishness when he is not perfect. Perfect God and perfect saint expect perfection in others.
If you yourself are the object of your love then you cannot love others.
That is the final stage (of being insensitive to outer world even if it is present). Treat the waves of love and tears to be true only if God comes to you to wipe your tears. Your love is yet to be perfect till then. Continuous practice in isolation will make your heart 100% pure. At that point of time, you can get Divine love. Then He will no more be elusive wherever you go in crowd or in isolation. I also advice you to get guidance of real saint particularly from Shri Kripalu Mahaprabhu as Vrindavan is not far from Jaipur and He will be at Vrindavan on GURU-POONAM. With best wishes!
This club is about uplifting oneself spiritually. The problem is how. What will make us to see God in his divine form? Jesus and God cannot come to us in person to give us practical guidance; where should we look for such guidance? Why do we need saint? What are our problems? What steps should be taken? The problem of God realization can never be tackled by egoism. As I've stated earlier we come across certain views of parents, friends as we grow from infancy to adulthood and, unfortunately, we stick to those beliefs as if they were in-born. Mind has to be open to know logistics of faith and divinity. If intellect is convinced, one can take firm decision to follow certain path. One has to arrive at some decision before life ends, not only the decision, steps should also be taken in that direction. There is difference between words and their meaning. Knowing words does not bring you knowledge. Words "God is everywhere" are useless till one gets experience of infinite happiness in every particle of this world or at least till one accepts his presence to control oneself from sinful actions. If life ends without such experience, one does the greatest harm to oneself. In stricter words, "He is a self-killer who loses the opportunity to realize God."
I think you are not getting the point. See there are two different kinds of satisfactions. One is everlasting (I'm talking of the exciting state of mind) and another one that fades - the euphoric feeling does not remain there. In addition, nothing can be abandoned forcefully. The whole issue of spiritual enlightenment revolves around concept of infinite happiness or infinite satisfaction. Second aspect is mind cannot perceive two things at a time. Perception can be either materialistic or divine. That is mind can either have the worldly view or Godly view. Third aspect is material happiness makes mind impure and spiritual makes it pure. When 100% purity is achieved, that infinite happiness flows through the mind.
And there are references to hell even in bible. God does forgive without any precondition. He does so on two conditions:
1. Repentance of past sinful acts.
2. Firm decision of not getting involved in such action again. You can try first two links The permanent solution and Net talk for related reading.
Does God have faith?
There was a curious inquiry from one of our members- "Does God have fate?" Let try to know what fate is: One important rule in God's realm there can be no effect without any cause. Cause must be present somewhere. It bears effect, may be with short time lag or with time lag of lives. Spiritual laws also govern the time interval between cause and its effect. Of course, God keeps account of all causes and their respective effects. We always do something with some aim in mind. That is, we perform actions (cause) attaching some effect to it. Thus, what we get now are also effects of some actions that we did in the past, don't know when. Effects of past actions of earlier are called as fate in this life and therefore every one of us get birth, which brings different opportunities and successes. We get effects because our actions are done with mind attached to it. Regarding God, he too does many things and so does a saint. But their mind is not attached to the their actions. All their actions are governed by the sole motive of bringing happiness to others for they have infinite happiness at their disposal and they can continue in their state without getting engaged in any action whatsoever. Therefore God does not have any fate but we do.
Whenever I refer to word saint I mean a person who has acquired endless happiness that resides with God and which is available to only those whose hearts are 100% pure. The objective of our being in this world is to seek never-ending boundless excitement. We do want such happiness if it were available to us! Because every time the excitement vanishes from the heart, we are compelled to engage in other activities to get that excitement back. Saint is successful in attaining such happiness because his research was in correct area - the divine realm of God. We are unsuccessful because we keep on searching such happiness where it is not available. Moreover, saint can never hate the world. In fact, he cries in anguish to see his brothers and sisters suffering from the disease of materialistic pleasures for such pleasures invariably end in sufferings in this life or in next lives including the possibility of hell. Saint therefore tries to convince others the presence of God so that everyone would eventually get access to the treasure of infinite happiness that resides with him and God.
There are differences in destination and milestones that tell us about destination. When a spiritual aspirant takes steps towards spiritual upliftment, he or she comes across definite signals that put faith in him or her that path is right. This is the stage when heart is not completely pure and when continuous practice makes heart completely pure Krishna burns all karma in an instant. Then only one's mind remains in constant touch of divine happiness. Till then up and downs can continue.
In spiritual realm philosophy of control works therefore sex, which acts as divergent to thoughts of God must itself be directed to God by romantic relationship with Him and not with mortal persons. It would take time to attain perfection but one must aim for that.
Gaurang Mahaprabhu says"Trinadapisunichen Tarorapi Sahishunam Amaniya Mandeyam Kirtniya Sada Harihi" Be more humble than a blade of grass. Even if someone lifts it and leaves it in air, it falls down to earth and allows everyone to walkover his body without any complain. Be more tolerant than a tree. Tree itself takes all the burns of sunlight and offers heartening shadow to passers by. If someone hits it with stone, tree offers sweet fruit in return. So, give honor to everyone else. Do not expect honor from others and be busy in chanting sweet name of Lord Krishna.
Once Narad ji was traveling to Lord. On the way he met two personalities: One was a Pandit who was conducting Puja and another one was a drunkard. Pandit said to Narad, "When you go to Lord, please ask him to supply me necessary material to perform Puja." While drunkard said to Narad, "When you go to Lord, ask him why he did not arrange for a bottle of wine for me." Narad proceeded to Lord. He saw Lord was busy in pushing a camel through an eye of a needle. Lord gave him bottle of wine for drunkard and nothing was given for Pandit. Narad was surprised. Nevertheless, he went to Pandit. Soon after seeing Narad, Pandit said, "O! Have you been to Lord? What was he doing?" "He was trying to pass camel through an eye of a needle." Narad replied. Pandit reacted, "O! How come Lord can try such silly things? Doesn't he know that camel would not pass through needle?" Narad did not comment. He told Pandit that Pundit’s wish was not fulfilled. He then went to the drunkard. He too asked what Lord was doing and Narad gave the same reply. Drunkard said, "O! What is impossible for Him? He can do anything! Nothing much surprising!" Narad gave him his bottle. Well faith that counts! The story does not mean that action of drinking wine is justified, but although that (addiction to wine) was the weakness, it can be overcome with some efforts but if one lacks faith in Lord, all external actions are useless. Pandit too had some good habits of self-control but he would definitely need to improve on its inner thinking. That is everyone in this world is capable to seeing God and therefore everyone should target God as final destination.
One definition of God is "Kartum Akartum Anyatha Kartum Samartha"It means God can do something if he wants to do, He may not do anything if he does not want to not only that He may do something in opposite way. Like take birth as an adult and gradually become a child! Therefore, He is often referred to as "Param Swatantra Na Sarpar Koi" That is, He is supremely self-governed. No one is over his head. (No one is his boss! He himself is his boss!)
Once someone put a question to Shri Kripaluji Maharaj - "Scriptures state that a dip in Holy River Ganges leads to salvation. We bathed in the river so many times, yet we are not in receipt of any spiritual object. Why?" Maharajaji said, "If a tightly packed bottle containing urine is thrown into the river, it will never get purified because there is no chance of mixing dirty water with pure water. Similarly, sins reside in mind and therefore mind must mix with divinity of Ganges. Then only Divine Ganges can show its effect. Just taking dip in river with mind engaged in something else is of no use."
Happy father’s day! " Tan car me, Man yar me" - "Hands drive car, mind busy in thoughts of beloved" We many times do many actions in which mind is not attached to the work but still work continues. For example, many women knit sweaters. While knitting sweater, they keep on talking and thinking something different. Hands are busy in doing the work just mechanically and mind is busy somewhere else. In the same way, if we reach a state wherein we keep on doing everything that is necessary for living but keep our mind engaged in God, we could call ourselves follower of our father – God! Let’s make resolve to please our father by thinking of him till next father’s day.
There is a composition by Adi Shankaracharya: "Angan Galitam Palitam Mundam Dashan vihinam Jatam Tudam Vridhoyati Grhitadandam Tadapi na Munchat Ashapindam Bhaj Govindam, Bhaj Govindam, Givindam Bhaj Moodh Mate!"
A person in old age finds his organs are not functioning well. Hair, teeth all are on outgoing path. Still he does not leave his falsely placed optimism that he would derive satisfaction from this world and keeps on trying to hold on materialistic possessions. Shankaracharya says, "O! Fool intellect! Keep on chanting and remembering ShriKrishna, ShriKrishna and ShriKrishna."
Company of true devotee is extremely important. Only Sadhana can never accomplish love for God only. In the company of a true devotee one automatically develops love for Lord. Therefore, Satnsang (Company of devotees of Krishna) is an important aspect of spiritual practice.
The message was clear to Udhava that any path that is discussed must be associated with devotion. Love for Lord Krishna! Then all paths are OK. That is devotion is life of all paths. Actually, "Yen ken prakaren Man Krishne Niveshye." Whichever way possible, mind must think of Krishna. Therefore, many times it is emphasized that there is no other way except devotion to God!
Demands
When it comes to God, he is powerhouse of infinite powers. And we do not know anything beyond the reach of senses and mind. Because we are not aware of what is available with God we should not demand anything from Him. We must leave it to God. He is the one who is interested in out benefit so he will give us something that is most beneficial to us. No point in asking. Once Lord went to king of heaven, Indra, and told him, "I can give you whatever you want. Tell me what would you like to have." Indra said, "I want a very beautiful and charming woman." God told him, "See, it is not something you should demand. Get something more valuable from me, get something divine." Indra replied, "O! Now that you don't want me to give girl, you're trying to divert me some where else." God tried to convince Indra. After finding that Indra was adamant on his demand, God displayed a range of beautiful fairies to choose from. Indra selected he very first one. God said, "Have a look at all them at least." But Indra was so infatuated with the very first one that he said he wanted that one only. So Indra got a girl named as Urvashi. He went to his Guru and told him the incidence. His Guru said, "You're a fool, Indra! You could have asked for divine love. It would have ended all your births and deaths and would have brought you the exhilaration far superior than this idiot box (Urvashi)" So Let us leave it to God what he wants to give us. Whatever he does will in best of our interests.
If we demand anything from God it would mean that whatever God has given us is not good for us and that is why we demand something better. That is a greatest accusation for the one who looks only into benefit of others. Still there are some demand which can be tolerated but in no way necessary. For example, demand to get divine love, to get Guru. This is because they take us to not demanding anything. Really speaking that would also flow automatically from God even if you don't demand. Because God always tries you give you the best.
So far so good! But still one who practices spiritual discipline, does demand from God few things like -Selfless divine love, -Relief from bondage of Maya, -His divine sight and so on. Are they all wrong? No. The science is mind will keep on demanding something or other till it gets something infinite. In order to make mind pure, we divert all our desires and demands to the divine area. If the desire for selfless divine love is fulfilled, mind will not demand anything from God automatically. That is because the property of selfless divine love is to think of happiness of God. Other demands are of lower level, but they are still better than materialistic demand. Thus, if you don't demand anything from God and keep on loving him to bring satisfaction to him, it would be the best thing. If that is not possible, we ask for pardon to our sins and request possession of divine love from him. By doing so, you are prevented from doing further sins, which the main cause of his being away from you. This called as Sadhana and it is must for anyone who wants to advance spiritually. During Sadhana you can also have any relationship with him and you should visualize the presence of God according to your imagination. You try to concentrate on devotional song as if happening in the song are real ones and you are part of it. Slowly and slowly when visualization becomes perfect, God will descend in the same form in which you were visualizing him. Till that day one must keep on trying.
Death
A question was posed to Udhisthir in mahabharat, "What is the biggest surprise on this earth?" He answered, "Every day someone is dying, but the ones who are alive never realise that there will be a day when they will be received with the same fate!" That is when we act in the real world we keep on accumulating wealth, fame, skills for future without realizing the fact that everything that is accumulated will be left behind. In other words we do not remember all the time that death is waiting for us! If someone remembers every time that, ‘There will be a day when I will die', he or she will also remember God all the time because he is the one who can save you from clutches of death.
Divine judgment is of course there. Not only at the time of death but on other occasions as well. The dead body should not cause any fear; the reason is it is the soul that activates the matter present in the body. Soul leaves the body, rather forcefully taken off the body because no one wants to die. Dead body is just a collection of different physical elements, just like inanimate earth. If you see sunset, you don't feel grieved because you know that next day there will be sunrise again. Similarly after every death there is life for each soul depending its own doings when soul was in the human form. After the death, soul travels all alone without any companions. Soul is subjected to rules and regulations of divine system in which every action performed in the human life is accounted for. Friends and other relations are left behind. Persons whom you regard as your own relations are actually the effect of what you did in the past lives. They are also governed by their own deeds of past lives. The angel of death (Yama) cannot take any life against these rules. So there is no need to fear. But if you get the divine knowledge of God in this very life, Yama cannot touch you because he is under the control of all-powerful God. The objective this whole cosmic system is to get the knowledge of God. Hence when you attain God, Yama comes to you to tell, "Your time is over according to the rules. Would like to give up this material body? Or you want to continue?" No reasons are asked. If saint decides in favor of giving up the material body, he gets divine body which is devoid of all imperfections of material body through which he keeps on experiencing infinite happiness for infinite time by virtue of continuous association with God. So death is just a sort of remainder to us that we must think of God all the time. There is no cause to fear. But still we fear because we do not realize ourselves as soul but we recognize ourselves as body itself. And all the relations and friend are the function of material body. Soul has only one relation and that is God. So we must love God in with any relation that we like. Of course romantic relationship manifests itself into highest quality of joy.
If you acquire divine love, then you cannot contemplate death for you or your beloved. God is always beyond death and when you acquire divine knowledge, you too get out of the clutches of death forever. After that death cannot touch you. You become immortal. That was the sense. For all other material persons death is inevitable. In fact it is just the matter of knowing that SOUL can never have death while material body becomes inactive after soul leaves body and therefore we call it as dead.
Divine
love cannot contemplate death! This is because divine has existence
up to eternity. Material death is outcome of our own deeds and really
speaking it is not connected with love. Yes in can be connected to
divine love that God has for us. Owing to which he decides best
course of action for us, which includes death. But then divine love
is there forever. At no point it decreases by even a slightest
amount.
Dead body can never do any harm to anyone. It lacks the activating energy, which was provided by soul. Therefore there is no question of dead body seeing into your mind. Departed spirits, as I stated earlier, end up into respective areas (like hell, heaven, this world and in this world too whether plant, human or any other species different from human and different living conditions) according to their deeds. At the time of death, because life is being taken off the body, there is immense pain and no one can remember anything at the moment of dying. And when new birth is given to soul, all his actions go with him in the form of inscriptions on the mind. Thus it is not possible for anyone to remember the secrets.
Regarding
repenting for wrongs you cannot postpone it. It is not some ceremony,
which can be attended in future. It is feeling of guilt for committed
sins accompanied with sense of grief. Repentance essentially has two
aspects:
1.
Flowing of tears for the sin arising out of grief associated with it.
2. Resolve of not indulging in such act again.
This life is like an examination. Whatever you have to do, you must complete it within the stipulated time. After examination is over, you cannot write answers to the questions. You just await the result. It is therefore said that, "What you want to do tomorrow, do it today and what you want to do today, do it just now." But when it comes to spiritual practice, most of us believe in just opposite, "What you want to do today, do it tomorrow and what you want to do tomorrow, do it day after tomorrow. There are still years to come, why to hurry?"
Although every living creature, plant, and earth has a Divine spark, we cannot see that infinite happiness in anything. That is we are not able to perceive divine as divine. Our perceptions are material. To change this very perception, it is necessary to follow path of divine love. That is to detach mind from this world and love divine God with romantic relationship. When you get the divine vision as a result of perfection attained through spiritual practice and God's natural compassion, you can see divine spark in everyone and everything. Till that time you are deceiving yourself if you claim to see divinity in anyone. Yes respect must be there to everyone but you must love only Saint or God in some form or other.
Who is doing what?
A pair of Guru and his disciple (Chela) was traveling through various regions of India. While traveling, they come across a person in a city who was totally sinful and was enjoying in wealthy atmosphere. In the same city they came across another person who was pious and leading a life on moral grounds but was very poor and was suffering from all hardships. Chela asked his Guru, "How is this? It is not justifiable!" Guru did not answer anything. They kept on traveling. They came across a person who was ruining the harvested field by lashing the cops aimlessly. Guru told his Chela to make a note of it. After some distance, they came across a farmer who was very diligently working with his land to make it suitable for cultivation of crop. Nothing else was visible. So Guru asked his Chela, "What is your opinion about these two persons?" Chela answered, "First one his a total fool, he was destroying what he earned and second was making efforts to cultivate crop in his field. He will get the fruits after crops are grown!" Guru said, "There you are! The first person that you saw in the city was a total fool. He was destroying his future and the second person who was leading a life of hardship was making ground for future enjoyment."
Gender of God
If you see the definition of Brahman it is referred to neither as He nor as She. It is a neuter. But God can assume any form. Any means absolutely any. Pig, Fish, Bull, Child, Young man, Old man, Young lady, old lady and any combination of these. God at times assumed form of beautiful lady, so beautiful that if you get chance to see that (but not before heart is completely pure), your heart will never get attracted any of Miss Universes. Well! That is equally true even for his form as Man. So beautiful he is that no lady on the earth can keep her heart within her control. Not only that even no man can help getting attracted to him. So charming he is that Yogis of Dandkaranya(a Forest) when saw God (Ram) traveling through the forest, they got attracted to him and asked for conjugal love which means that they wanted themselves to be in the form of girl to seek the nectar of his lips and embrace
.
Philosophically
speaking, God is all-capable, all-powerful and Soul is feeble,
powerless. God therefore takes form of beloved and soul takes form of
his Fiancée. And this is the reason why God is usually referred to
as HE.
What
made Lord to assume form of pretty woman? The story is - Once a demon
performed a severe austerity and propitiated Lord Shiva. Lord Shiva
being satisfied with demon's efforts appeared before the demon. Demon
demanded a boon that, 'If I put my palm on someone's head, that
person should get reduced to ash immediately.' Lord Shiva granted the
boon. Demon wanted to capture Parvati ji, wife of Lord Shiva. So the
demon tried to put his palm on the skull of Lord Shiva. Lord Shiva
ran to Lord Vishnu. After listening to the story, Vishnu assumed a
form of extremely beautiful lady and went to demon. Demon got
attracted to her. Mohini (the name of the assumed form meaning a very
attractive girl) told the demon that he must dance with her before
she could accept his offer for marriage. During the course of
dancing, Mohini put her palm on her head and so did the demon. Thus
demon was reduced to ashes and Lord Shiva was saved.
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What I
feel is strong will always have its way out when it is supported by
divine power of God. If you really wish to visit India, and I think
that you should aim at in this life, you will work some where to
collect some amount and save up that amount till the time enough is
accumulated.
About helping poor, it is really a step ahead
compared to those who use their wealth for their own satisfaction.
But those poor are also children of God and unless they too take
recourse to divine path, it will be impossible for anyone to take
their care through different lives.
God must be well aware of
their status. Whether poor or rich, everyone has mind, which can be
diverted to God. And that is the only way out to end the miseries. If
mind is diverted to God, one gets power to withstand unfavorable
circumstances. For you, the best course would be to concentrate on
spiritual side. The donations that you are making to poor will
bring
them only momentary relief. In fact all their adversities are
actually to pay off their debt of sins committed in past lives. Once
that is over they too get to enjoy in subsequent lives. The rich
persons are reduced to state of poor people because they are not
utilizing their wealth according what is prescribed in scriptures. So
my earnest request to you is to get a job and make a plan to visit
our Guruji sometimes next year. I'm sure you will never regret it.
I list one story here. King of heaven (Indra) once became very conceited of his powers and wealth. One saint approached him and showed him a line of ants busy in collecting food. He told him, "Look each ant of this line has enjoyed your realm in capacity of your position for INFINITE times. Then Indra asked him what he should be doing to avoid reaching that state. Saint replied, "There is only one life, and that is of human life, in which you get chance to bring and end to this cycle. Although you are king of heaven, it is only when you'll get birth as human, you can do something about it." So precious is human life! And to meet a person who has divinity of God within him is not so easy. Since you can get that chance, I'd like to see you here.
I
take this opportunity to make an appeal for donations to the
following trust, for which you will get due receipts.
Spiritual Progress
The main issue here today is whether or not we are interested in spiritual progress. Spiritual progress is achieved by concentrating on only one discipline and no can practice two or more disciplines together at the same point of time. And purpose of this club is not to confuse people by showing them various conflicting ways to achieve the Goal but rather tell them the best possible alternative.
Path
of divine love of devotion, as I know from my Guruji and from
Scriptures, is the easiest one and leads to the best divine
experience on reaching the stage of perfection.
Regarding pain
that deletion of messages is caused to some persons, I would say that
any action that deals with removal of material attachments or your
own incorrect beliefs is associated with a sort of anguish, if one
does not inquire into effects associated with your earlier actions.
Another question is why one should get disturbed on deleting his
or her messages? This I feel is effect of ego that is present within
us. Otherwise one should take it very easy that "Fine! This
place does not entertain my views. I must search some other place."
A category of freewill gets severe punishments. And freewill does not mean to make use of place for which it is not meant. If you have freewill which does not comply with the objective of the club, use it at some other places.
Your
opinions lack the very essence of the concept of divinity. The
problem is you are not ready to consider yourself as patients.
I
am VERY sure about what leads to divine realm and what does not!
Divine God engages in all sort of games which you see happening on
the earth. It includes everything. God allows a lot of injustice to
happen! Do you want to question his divinity? You cannot! Simply
because that injustice what you see is part of justice that is being
brought to everyone.
There are persons who try to make you understand stark realities about your future if you continued with what you are doing. But you realise about it only after death when there is no opportunity to recover!
If I invite someone, it does not mean that he or she he or she can take liberty to discuss anything and everything at this forum. Earlier I did request through a post to avoid all the topics that are not related to discipline of divine love. But no one seems taking note of it. I have also decided to delete all small messages because they hide the real messages that this club wants to convey to its readers.
Nature
of God
God has many contradicting attributes
1.
God is smaller than the smallest (to occupy each and every particle
in the universe) And he is greater than the greatest (to absorb the
complete universe at the time of doomsday) In addition to it, he is
neither smaller than the smallest nor greater than the greatest.
2. God is nearer than the nearest (so near that we live in him) And he is farther than the farthest (He is so far away that we are searching him for infinite time and yet to reach the destination.)
3. God is supremely free. He may perform actions, he may not perform actions and he may perform anti-actions. (Like he may bring sunshine to earth in dark night) And He is slave of his devotees. He cannot act against their wish!
4.
God has no eyes but he sees, he has no ears but he hears, he has no
nose but he smells, he has no feet but he walks, he has no hands but
he holds, he has no skin but he touches!
5. God is never born. And he is born for infinite times.
6.
God is supremely detached. And he is supremely sensual!
7.
God is beyond material And he behaves like a materialistic person.
8.
God is without form. And he assumes many forms.
9.
God does justice. And God showers only his kindness.
10.
God is beyond comprehension. And many saints have comprehended him.
And
all opposing statements are true at the same point of time.
Way to God
You will follow someone's interpretations till you come across some divine experience of God. I wanted to react to all the posts including yours wherein you all were quite drifted away from real path of achieving God.
Way to God essentially goes through a person whom we call GURU (in this particular case Shri Kripaluji Mahaprabhu) because he is the one who is well aware of spiritual and material implications of all your actions. He wants you to take up the path according to his instructions to derive maximum benefit of his presence here on the earth. But no one has even expressed any curiosity to get his writings to go through. Of course you will have to make payments to get those books because there are costs involved in everything.
Till one develops unwavering faith in words of saint, the only way is to practice devotion to God as prescribed by scriptures.
There is no other way- absolutely no way- in this age where there is no scope for any other disciplines like action, yoga and knowledge.
And what I find is you all are not serious about taking practical that one must follow to bring out divinity, which is suppressed within oneself. And if that is the case there is no point in just having discussions. One must spend at least four hours a day in chanting devotional songs and in trying to visualize the company of God as your beloved. You must think that God and Saint are the only ones who are your well-wisher and no one else can be your well-wisher notwithstanding the love that he claims he or she has for you. You should be able to throw the burden of all other commitments to your friends and other relations to give weightage to saying of a saint. That is what is lacking.
You must get rid all your material belongings and therefore attachments to this world if you would want to progress in the realm of God. That does not mean to give up all that you have and become an ascetic. That will at far later stage. You must lead a very simple and controlled life and keep only that much amount with you with which you can survive in this world with bare minimum requirements.
Are you ready to make some donations to our trust so as to get spiritual benefit of the material wealth which is not possible otherwise, whichever way you spend it? Again the donations to the OUR trust why? The money that you spend brings you returns according to for whom you have spent it. If the personality is beyond Maya, you get divine benefit, if the personality is of sinful and wanton you get hell as the outcome of your spending.
Basics of Love
1. We love someone to please that person. Therefore we love to God to please Him.
2.
We don't demand any material or spiritual upliftment from Him.
3.
Because we want to please him every moment, we desire to be with him
every moment.
4.
It becomes difficult to stay without him even for a fraction of a
second.
5.
We want to serve our lord with all that we have and such service is
possible only through romantic mood.
6.
We do not desire our sexual satisfaction but to please Lord, we take
resort to romantic relationship.
7.
We keep aside all other theories of Yoga, Gyan and just try to
develop Love to Lord.
8.
Because Radha is Love in person, we worship both Radha and Krishna.
What a loss!
In
childhood busy with playing games
In youth attracted to girls
In
old age problems of health
But in no age a person is fully devoted
to God!
A sad story! (Shankarachayra)
It is true that if you are egoistic, you cannot even appreciate wholeheartedly other person. You are even deprived of that joy! With ego one only tries to be seen over top of others and thus wastes all his energy in doing so! Many lives have been passed but we are yet to become innocent! And God... he is farther than farthest for such people and he is nearer than nearest for innocent ones. Let us try to be frank and simple hearted!
Love yourself?
There are some really beautiful poems posted recently at club. The only point is "How to get that experience of true love?" And the answer is
"Way
to you (GOD) is putting an end to me...(Shri Kripalu Mahaprabhu)"
That is ego-less state. There have been some posts regarding loving
oneself. Let us examine the issue. When you love yourself, what is
your target? Target is the soul of the person. Target is not body,
for example, in some cases it is necessary to remove some parts of
the body to save the life. It proves that we love our SOUL. We take
care of all senses because they are helpful in bringing happiness to
soul. Similarly, soul has one super-soul. And if that super-soul is
happy then only soul can be happy. That is, the way to love yourself
is to love that super-soul - God. It must be understood that true
love is there only with God and his persons – saints, so that
search area is properly selected. It is there with saints because God
gives it to them. That is, ultimate source of Love is God. You must
love God! Am I right?
Love
I Love
you. Oh! I will love your devotees too
(For you would not like if
I hurt them)
But the deal that you will leave me
Is Not
Acceptable!
(that is because I love you, and you love them, I love
them so that you would not leave me)
Original by Shri Kripalu
Mahaprabhu in Hindi
Mysteries
Once you realize the divine power that is behind all mysteries, mystery does not remain mystery anymore. Give up all explorations and just think that there is God who loves you and awaits your response!
In my opinion, God and world are not different. They are different perceptions of one and the same thing. A saint, whose heart is pure, sees this very world full of infinite excitement. And your perception you know. Give some thought to it. If you can make it to get that experience in this very life, you'll understand the folly of materialistic happiness. If one is only after materialistic happiness he is a total fool because treasure of infinite, divine happiness is within his home and he is after the whole world in search of very low grade happiness.
That mystery will remain mystery if you don't try to purify your heart. On purification of heart, God delivers the infinite knowledge so that you can understand his divine form and divine actions.
The problem!
Hidden Agenda? I thought it is there only in Politics! But in Love too? By the way My agenda is very clear and straightforward! I want people to throw everything that they possess - Wealth, Body, Mind to God! To a Saint! To Shri Kripalu Mahaprabhu! These things you'll have to leave one day anyway! If you can do it before death, you can come along a great distance spiritually. One point I must emphasize that saint is well aware of limitations of a spiritual aspirant! He takes care of him both materially and spiritually! He does expect spiritual aspirant to live a simple life! Our problem is we think saint must behave according to what our intellect prescribes! And there lies the whole problem! Since time infinite we never followed instructions of any genuine Saint! Had that been the case, we would not have been here with our petty thinking but we would be with God enjoying divine relationship with him! Yes, there is something I must agree that in this world people believe you readily if you tell them something negative about someone. But positive things are not assimilated! I really wonder what makes a person to change his plans to visit our Ashram! He wanted to meet me! We were to go to our Ashram! I don't blame any one for this. One must have capability to judge. Our judgment time and again proved to be wrong for we are still there enjoying materialistic happiness and deceiving ourselves thinking that we are in receipt of Divine Love. May be there will be a day when you'll realize that the way to God lies in putting an end to material attachments! If not in this life, in some other! And ... there is no point in being oblique!
When faith reaches its perfection, your one call to God will bring him right before you, in person! In the form that you would like to see him! With the relationship that you have been waiting for!
Power!
Once demigods of heaven won a battle against devils. They developed vanity of their strength!
So, God thought these demigods should know the reality. He appeared there in the sky with brilliant shine! Indra, king of demigods, sent one of his servants - Fire (Power that is cause of all sorts heat energy) to see who that person in sky was! Fire went there and asked him "Who are you?" God asked in return "May I know who you are?" Fire replied, "Don't you know me? I Fire! I can reduce whole universe into ashes with in no time!" "O! I see!" said God and put a piece of dry grass in front of Fire and asked him burn it. Fire scoffed! "You're asking me to burn this piece? Here it is!" Fire applied all his power, but that dry grass could not be burnt. God switched off the power supply of burning power! Fire lost the ability to put anything on fire! After being defeated Fire went back to Indra and said, "I don't know who that man is!" Indra then sent Wind to get the information of the guest. Again the same conversation went. Wind said, "I'm Wind! I can move planets from their places in no time!" God asked wind to move that piece of dry grass. Wind could not move! Wind himself become motionless! He too returned defeated. After all of the servants were defeated, Indra went to see who that person was! As soon as Indra approached, God vanished from the sky and there was there was a goddess in the sky. She told Indra, "O Indra! Don't be conceited! The person in the sky was all-powerful God. He is the source of all powers! Don't be conceited! You should be indebted to Him"
Attachments
Once Prahlad, who was one of the great devotees for lord Vishnu and King of entire world at that time, said to Lord, "I want to take everyone in my kingdom to you divine abode. I don't want leave anyone here in this world which is full of sufferings of life, death and other painful outcomes of their actions." Lord said, "As you wish! You are my devotee. I'm bound to fulfill all desires of my devotee."
After getting assurance from Lord, Prahlad approached his citizens and told them to go with him to divine abode of Lord. People started giving excuses like -"O! I am very young. I haven't seeen yet the world." - "I have young children, let me bring them up" - "I have some job left, let me complete it" - and many more!
Being fed up with the responses, Prahlad approached a pig. "Will you come with me to the divine abode of Lord?" Pig asked in return, "Will I get shit to eat there?" At last Prahlad had to give up all plans.
We are all away from God because of our attachments to this world and because we don’t believe saints.
A material person looks at saint as if saint were a fierce lion who would steal their belongings! That is, we fail to realise who is our friend and who is not! A saint is a real friend of ours who is interested in relieving you from mayic bondage and making you capable of receiving infinite happiness. But we believe our material relatives and friend more and none of them can be with you after this short life period. In infinite lives every soul had infinite relations - infinite wives, infinite husbands, infinite friends, infinite brothers, infinite sisters, sons, daughters and so on. It is a sordid state of affairs that we failed to have relationship with God in any life!
Believe in God?
Emperor Akbar had Birabal, who was supposed to be very intelligent person, in his court. Once Akbar asked Birabal to give the count of persons residing in capital city who believed in God. Birabal asked him for some time period before he could give the count.
After
some days there was an announcement in the city that God will appear
in the city at some mosque. There was large turn out to see God at
that mosque on that day. Then according to Birabal‘s plan the
attendant there said that God would be visible to only those persons
who are sin-less! He actually put a stinking goat in the mosque and
made such an announcement! To create the atmosphere, he paid few
persons some money and asked them to tell everyone that, "I have
seen God! He is really very beautiful! etc." Later he asked all
of the citizens to enter into the mosque one by one and told them to
describe the appearance of God, which was inside. Everyone went
inside, finding it difficult to stay there because of stinking odor,
everyone came out very fast. But when asked about God inside,
everyone was full of praise for his beauty, for his colour, his eyes,
the light that was present there, the fragrance that was emanating
from his divine body and so on! At last Birabal invited Akbar! He too
said that he was really blessed to see the glory of God! Later Akbar
asked Birabal about the count of the religious persons. Birabal said
"In reply to your query I arranged this drama. I put a stinking
Goat inside but no one was ready to tell me about that! See the
people of your kingdom! They come to mosque with full of duplicity!
There is no one in your kingdom who believe in God including you,
Sir!"
Queen and Maid
Long time ago there was a queen and there were many lady attendants in her service. Queen had a very luxurious bed to sleep on. Once one of the maids thought, "What a luxurious, soft and shining cushion!" She looked around to and after being convinced that no one is noticing, she sat on that soft, exquisite bed and experienced immense gratification. Queen entered in the room at that very moment and caught maid using her bed. She was furious and ordered 50 lashes to her servant for that act. It was very painful experience for the maid. She went on crying as she was subjected to crucifying pain of lashes. But as she approached 50th lash, she started laughing loudly! Very loudly! Queen thought she must have gone mad! Still she asked her, "How come you can laugh?"
Maid
said, "If you will not subject me to another punishment, I'll
tell you about it." After getting assurance from queen, she
explained. "You subjected me to 50 lashes for sitting there for
just one minute! And you are using that bed for your full lifetime!
How many lashes will God impose on you? Because to him everyone is
equal!"
Accused
Innocent looks,
Magnetizing smiling lips,
Blossomed charming appearance,
Agreed that you are indicted for killing,
But still you're worthy of being hold,
In close embrace!
(Original in Hindi by Kripalu Mahaprabhu)
Cure?
Lover in deep love
wants to see his beloved once
thinks it could heal
the heart breaking pain
But he knows not
this is the medicine
that makes the disease worse!
(Original in Hindi by Kripalu Mahaprabhu)
(That if you see your beloved once to get relief from pains of separation, you will want to see him again and again)
Donations!
There is a story told by most probably Ravindranath Tagore!
Once
God was traveling in a chariot. He came across a beggar along the
path. He got down and went to beggar. Beggar asked him for alms. God
said to beggar, "Give me something!" Beggar became nervous.
God insisted! At last beggar gave God one grain of wheat from his
pot. God smiled and went ahead! Beggar reached home and emptied his
pot. To surprise only one grain of wheat was turned into Gold. He
realized the mistake!
So
the conclusion... (I've that habit of drawing some inference)
.."Moment gone is opportunity lost!"
Why so many ways?
Once Udhava asked Krishn, "Lord! So many people tell us so many ways to achieve you. Some of they are conflicting like the devotion, which asks us to become humble like grass while the knowledge asks us to think, "we are God". Few claim speaking truth is the only way while others claim many ways like austerity, kindness, rituals and so on. I, who am dull minded, get confused! What is the correct way?"
ShriKrishna answered, "I prescribed only one way in the Vedas - the way of devotion (love) but people who read Vedas, interpreted it according to their liking and level of intellect. And therefore there is confusion all over. Without accompanied devotion no other way will be able to take you to your destination of spiritual happiness." So let us stick to our path of divine love. We have backing of Lord himself!
Renouncement
Once a person approached Shri Ramakrishna Parmhansa and Said, "You are a great ascetic! You have renounced everything! You are great renouncer!" Shri Ramakrishna replied, "You are a great renouncer, not me! See you have renounced the unlimited reservoir of happiness in favor of rubbish material happiness while I have renounced rubbish material happiness in favor of divine happiness. So you have renounced more valuable object! So you are a real renouncer!"
God and We
Although God is beyond reach, he is kind enough to convey us the ways and means of reaching beyond the reach. In fact he is so kind that he says 'I Love a person with exactly the same intensity of love with which the person loves me. You think of him as your beloved he will think of you as his darling. You think of him as your father, he will think of you as his child. You think of his as your son, he will think of you his mother. You think of him as everything to you, he will think of you as everything to him.' Not only that he also claims 'My devotees are very dear to me. I like them more than I like me myself!
But
it is the matter of realization and comprehending the limitation of
your reach at present so that you can work out proper solution and be
with God forever with equal terms. In fact Shri Chaitainya Mahaprabhu
states 'If you want to love God, you must consider him to be of lower
status or at the most of your equal. Never think of him to be
superior to you in any aspect, let alone thinking of him as powerful
God.' That does not mean that you should despise him. You must LOVE
him in and out. This way you can take all care of him as mother does
for her son OR any lady does for her beloved. If mother starts
thinking her son to be superior to her, she cannot scold her child at
all. She cannot prevent him from eating mud. She cannot teach him
anything thinking that how a powerless, feeble, humble soul like hers
can even think of telling something to God.
So no need to
feel down and low. It just the problem definition.
Till one acquires the true love, which is for making Lord happy and not your selfish desires, even love to God is selfish. Only on purification of heart one can experience the true love.
Divine love is so easy to conceptualize that is you don't have to search for it. Just think that God is your beloved and you are his darling!
Science, as I told you, deals with laws which are created by Maya and Spiritual God is governor of Maya. So whatever amount of efforts are made to understand God with science will be in futile. Because intellect is finding it difficult to see beyond the material knowledge. And material knowledge is also of limited quantity. Therefore even complete knowledge of mayic world is also not possible! God, who is beyond the limit of Maya, cannot be comprehended by intellect!
Lord Shiva and Parvati
Once Lord Shiva and his wife Parvati decided to make a world tour. So with thier bull (Nandi) both of them descended to the earth. Both of them were riding on Nandi. Passers by criticized the couple. "See how cruel this pair of husband and wife is! Both of them are putting their burden on innocent bull!"
Shankarji
looked at Paervati and said, "I think they are right. You get
down, I'll be on this Nandi." So Parvati got down. Both of them
started travelling further.
After
some distance, they came across another group of people. Those people
again criticized the couple, "See this person! Such a healthy
person with such a good physique is riding on the bull and poor frail
beautiful lady is walking on the foot!" So Shankarji started
walking and Parvati sat on the Bull.
Again
another group criticized them. "What kind of lady she is! Her
husband is walking and she is comfortable on the Bull! This man must
be a fool! Can't he keep his lady under control? "
Therefore,
Shankarji and Parvati lifted the bull on their shoulder - two legs
each - and started walking further. Flocks and flocks of people
started pouring in to see this funny seen. They said, "Both of
husband and wife are full mad! They should ride on Bull! Instead bull
is riding on them!"
So the inference "You can never
satisfy all the persons at the same time!" Therefore if you
decide to select path to spiritual India, be firm on your decision!
Love and God
I think you have not gone through all the messages or Net Talk at
http://home.talkcity.com/SpiritCir/whatsinname/net.htm
Spiritual Love is personified as Shri Radha AND ALL-POWERFUL GOD SERVES RADHA AS HER SERVANT! In a sense Shriradha and Shrikrishna are one and the same or two forms of the same personality. But never the less Shrikrishna accepts Shreeradha as his master.
God is powerhouse of uncountable powers. Supernatural love is assumes the top most position. Shrikrishna is supernatural happiness personified.
To be more precise nothing in this universe can be regarded as something different from God. And therefore we have statements like 'EVERYTING IS BRAMHA or GOD' Still there are differences between soul and God. These statements are made because no can have any existence if God does not provide his power to perform actions.
It is like this. Many times we call Soul and Body combine as a person AND when someone dies we make in distinction between Soul and Body. For Example we say "HE (Meaning Soul) passed away." His body is still there!
Since love to God and God both are divine, sometimes it is claimed that they are one and the same. But difference is noticeable when one attains perfection through devotion.
Evil and Good
Evil doer brings evil to himself. Because it is the actions of yours that decide your future. The one who suffers is actually clearing debts.
GURU
It has origin in Sanskrit. It means the one who can expel the darkness of materialistic flair and bring in divine happiness.
But
from spiritual meaning it got deviated to mean Teacher.
Yes! Because you inner guidance is not direct descend from God! It gets distorted (Through Maya) and then comes to your mind. While Guru translates exactly from divine to material and tells you about it!
One, who acquires God, also acquires all his powers. And that person whom you see with your eyes is Guru because he gives you direction. God is there everywhere, but he does not come even to defend his existence to this club!
True
saints are usually acclaimed after their death! During their lifetime
we try to see how they are put down to death!
You can love everybody ONLY IF you love God!
Hell and Heaven
People and persons of all opinions will be there! All of them get energy from God even to speak against him!
Hell
is the provision where person is subjected to various sorts of
punishment for his actions, which does not comply with spiritual
rules.
Heaven
is the place where person is rewarded for his deeds, which comply
with spiritual laws. But heaven is not permanent. The permanent
solution lies in loving God and not in good or bad deeds!
Material and Divine
No point in mixing Divine and Material. If that distinction is not clear, we keep on revolving in this great wheel of universe. Sometimes up, sometimes down! Every time giving importance to ourselves although we are very well aware that
1.
We do not know where we were before birth.
2. We do not know how come we got birth at a particular place. (How soul was directed to a specific womb)
3. Why some of us live in all luxuries and some of us suffer.
4. Where we will be going after death.
5. Why
some of us get opportunities to excel while others are denied such
opportunities.
And many more!
And
to add to it, small intellect of we people is so complacent that it
just shrugs these questions as useless! And we are busy after
material happiness! And we feel we are very smart! God bless us!
There is one school of thought that states
'Rely
on destiny. Things will happen automatically and whenever there is
proper time, God will put knowledge into your heart. Till then don't
worry.' By this philosophy, we will be in the grave one day.
It
actually puts blame on God for ours being in this material world. One
must understand what is within ones control and what is within God's
control!
And
of course, I honor you! That is why I'm trying to make you understand
that there is difference between Divine and Material.
There are different heroes for different persons. And till you get relief from death, all those Heroes change for you from life to life. And in many lives you have considered many persons as Heroes and accepted their philosophy but in no life you had accepted a living genuine Saint as Hero and till you do that you cannot escape clutches of death and other sufferings.
Think
deep. Act superficial.
It is a matter of wisdom to know possible alternatives available in the spiritual area. Many have derived benefit from Knowledge in prints. In fact it is must till you get divine vision of God. It will be hard to do practice without knowing how to do it.
"The
best advice I ever received was: Deeply search your soul, the answer
& direction are there, as God is waiting there to give you
guidance and direction." It is also some philosophy that you
rely on.
Read
the permanent solution. It explains why any one lives and also
explains ways and means of attaining that Goal. God, who is
compassionate, can act only to assist in seeking our true Goal He is
replete with divine happiness and wants his children to experience
the same happiness.
By the way what could be his motive in
making this world in which many are subjected to sufferings and
miseries? Think of other species. One eating the other! No medical
treatment of any kind! What God can derive out of it? You must
realize what is in your hands and what in God's.
God
who is kind can work for others benefits only. To make others happy!
And unless that divine happiness is attained there is no escape from
pains of death, birth and other sufferings that we encounter in our
rotation through innumerable species
God has created this world so that we sinful souls can attain perfection. There is no other intention behind creation of this universe. In supernatural area there is perfect God, perfect Love, perfect Soul and perfect Relationship. And all four keep their separate identity for the time infinite. They all can be termed as forms of one and the same God or God himself but still they retain their different perspective. Just try and you'll find the truth.
Persons
who worship abstract form of God, do not get love perspective still
they are have infinite happiness at their disposal. To view God
through angle of Love is a joy that make even Parmhansa to give up
joy of unity with the God. (Samadhi)
Love and God are not one and the same. Please recollect that to love you need to have four essential ingredients. I repeat those are:
1.
Personality to whom you love
2. Person who loves
3. Love
itself
4. Relationship
God being supernatural personality,
Love to God has to be supernatural and to perceive God through love
relationship, it necessary to have supernatural senses and
mind.
Love is based on dualism. 'Everything is God' is the
concept of non-dualism. There can be happiness without love
relationships as we all know but with love you add another dimension
to that happiness.
Since love to God and God both are divine,
sometimes it is claimed that they are one and the same. But
difference is noticeable when one attains perfection through
devotion.
Love At First Sight
How
beautiful are you
I cannot explain
All that I know
I want to
see you every moment!
I still remember the day
When I made
mistake
And looked at you
Without knowing
What could be the
effect!
One look at you
Compelled me to take another
And
that another look
Demanded one more
I am trapped in cycle of no
end!
Before I could do anything
The contiguous disease
Went
on from one to another sense
And All my senses gave up their
loyalty
To become slave of your dictates!
You rendered me
hopeless
As your thoughts captured
Each and every layer of my
mind
So you reign and I am your slave!
Now I am
desperate
To see you again
To hear your sweet words
To
collect you in my arms
To seek the softness and fragrance
Which
I experience in your embrace!
I do not know
How to
survive
Without your sight
Please come to me
And give me my
life!
Love and Fear
In initial stages where love is not fully developed fear serves useful purpose.
Love
demand that we bow down to every wish of our beloved to please him.
That is not possible in initial stages. If there is fear, which is
outcome of knowing the system of actions and their effects, we stick
to right path!
Child
develops good habits out of fear! You give freedom to child without
any punishment or scolding and see how he develops bad habits.
Actually
our mind is attuned to indulging in sins because of deep-rooted
habits of past lives and fear does help us to progress.
God
can forgive sins if two conditions are met.
1.
Repentance for past sins through tears.
2. Resolve for not getting associated with such sins in future
Purification
"How do you know when your mind reached the state of complete purity?" - Purification of heart is a continuous process. It is like you try to clean a pot with many layers of dust on it. During purification, dirt, which is outcome of attachment in material world, comes out gradually. For this reason you will notice that special class of persons gets the ultimate divine happiness with very little effort. Those who have worked hard on it in earlier lives, finish the remainder of purification very fast. Divinity of soul, which was blocked by layers of dirt, starts showing its effect.
Few indications are of pure heart
-Natural
liking for God and related subjjects.
-Less botheration on loss of
material prroperty, or loss in any sphere of life like games
etc.
-Less excitement on material gains or suuccess.
-Less
annoyance if someone insults you -Less pleasure if someone praises
you
100% pure heart is the stage where you experience the happiness related to God. You can see him, hear his voice, embrace him, kiss him etc. Yes! The personal experience with God is available to only those who take up divine love as their spiritual discipline. For Gyanis there is just transcendental light and for Yogis some form of God on which they meditate with out any personal relationship.
The
problem of purification of heart is infinitely old and involves
infinite interactions with the material world. To tackle this problem
you need assistance from a person who can guide you with his infinite
powers. Therefore, saint is necessary and really speaking there is no
difference in Saint and God as far as the happiness that we expect is
concerned. Since it is God who works through saint, you can say that
happiness is derived through God even if it is actually saint who
puts it into your heart.
Physical
and emotional strains are due the fact that we have attachments to
our body and to other material objects through emotion. And when you
try to detach them some axing is essential. Most of the burden of
axing is borne by saint and the remaining, which cannot be separated
from mind that is under process has to be borne by the spiritual
aspirant. The trouble is it is necessary to change the way one
thinks. For any change, there is opposition. Change of belief - your
ego could be problem. If some one can change the thinking process by
sound logic then he would suffer less emotional strains because
emotional strains are outcome of subjecting mind to some thinking
process to which it is not attuned. Therefore, it is necessary to
revise theory regularly so that you can counter doubts with your
active memory.
Beauty
The object is beautiful if you cannot take off your eyes from it for infinite time! Your eyes get stuck to that object! Your eyes are stitched to that object! The most painful thought is the disappearance of the object! The thirst of seeing the object is never completely satisfied. One look at the object compels you take one more look at it! And that another look demands still one more look! A never-ending affair!
Of
course only God fulfils these conditions.
Belief
A deer goes after mirage and thinks its belief is correct! It dies of thirst but does not change the belief! May be after 70-80 years or before thirst of happiness will take you the same destination!
There
were some postings accusing me of indulging in trying to convert
people to my line of belief. See unless you accept belief of others
it is not possible to try along those lines. And to convince someone
logically about it should not be treated as conversion act.
If
a doctor tries to convince a patient to complete certain course of
medicine can it be taken as psychological attack?
Some
belief or other always governs us.
We
derive all beliefs along our way from birth to death and cling to
them as if they were in born.
And not all beliefs can be
correct! Therefore, to change to the correct belief is an act of
wisdom and not that of shame! Students learn because they accept that
they do not know the subject. I know that there are very few who are
interested in something beyond sensualism - The joy of spiritualism.
Every one wants enjoyment! Even saints are no exception! It is just
that object through which you derive the enjoyment differs! There are
of course difficulties in obtaining such happiness but nevertheless
it is possible!
It
is actually very easy. Just you have to change area of research from
material world to divine God. I hope you'll make some efforts to
understand what I'm trying to convey. Changes in vision from material
to divine are most important. Then you will find everything is
lasting forever.
There are many dogs, cats and donkeys. They cannot understand physics, chemistry and mathematics. That does not mean that there is no other brain that can assimilate what these sciences are.
If
you don't have intellect that can comprehend infinity, it does not
mean there cannot be any other intellect that can comprehend
infinity.
There is lot of sense in doing practice in solitude. Since it is difficult for us to concentrate on God continuously, there are some ways and means to keep mind engaged with God while doing your own work. While doing spiritual practice it is also important to concentrate on the love relation ship that one wants with God.
Regarding
objection to proof of God, the answer would be that if some one who
is sitting in one dark room of a city in Africa argues that there
cannot be country like America. And further says, "I am not
going to anywhere from this place to see if America exists and I don
not believe in any one and photographs and videos are fake." you
cannot prove him even existence of america.
Evolution
Evolution is bygone. No logical explanations!
1.
If there is external environment that forced the change then there
cannot be random mutations.
2. If there are random mutations
then it can be any direction.
3.
If there is natural selection then every there should be the last
species present and for other species to be present, single-celled
animal must get created from in animate subjects! And process of
evolution must continue forever.
4.
Evolution cannot explain loss of features in higher species those can
be regarded as assets for survival, like natural swimming ability,
ability to fly in air etc.
5.
Moreover all talk of natural selection is without giving any specific
conditions that made so drastic changes! Theory, which is not
supported by logic or by empirical evidence, cannot be correct!
Maybe that evolutionist postulated wrongly that God, who is so kind cannot create the universe full of misery. Because of this wrong postulation evolutionist were thrown on the wrong track. Because if everything is in some order, there must be someone who is maintaining this order! Evolutionists are true to the extent that God does not put us in distress! It is our own actions that bear such effects!
I came
across an article that stated discovery of all genes would empower
you to do anything. Here is my reaction to it. A serious objection on
gene theory is there could be a personality, who is just coordinating
the cause and effect. It is not necessary that a specific gene is a
cause of some specific effect of its own. What I mean is say for
example some gene when on (according to your theory) you can see and
when that gene is off you can't see. Now the question is
"Is
it really so? Is not possible that a personality, who is omnipresent
and omnipotent, is making two things happen simultaneously (presence
of gene and its effect say vision or the reverse) everywhere with his
infinite powers and making you believe in relation? Why some would do
that is separate issue. But there is a possibility."
Another
point is you talk of time that is beginningless and endless. That is
you talk of infinity. If there is infinite time, there must be
infinite development stages associated with genes and there must be
some laws that must have governed this progress. If every thing is
random, then genes would also behave in random fashion and there
would be no co relation between gene and its effect. What I mean is
there must be some basic laws, which deal with infinity, govern
behavior of genes. If such laws were altered, same gene would behave
differently. Like you change software and same action of clicking
mouse would generate different result.
Soul
True self is Soul. It is divine in nature. It is devoid of death, birth, old age, hunger, thrust, sorrow and all such shortcomings of the physical body. Its wishes are truth. Its decisions are truth. By last two statements I mean it thinks something and that happens at that very moment. It decides something and that work is done at that very moment! No delays! And no efforts are necessary.
Compassion
'Compassion is act of donating without any return because one cannot see pathetic condition of the affected soul. And natural means without any reason associated with it. It is just the nature of God.' So the compassion is associated with bringing happiness to others. And then only those who have infinite happiness with them can be compassionate. Therefore, the first job is acquiring that unlimited reservoir of happiness.
Till
the point you know some fault could be there, that very fault is
there within your heart. The reason is that if you are faultless
you'll not come to know about it. Newborn child is such
example.
Regarding complete purity of heart the only proof is
the experience of divine happiness. If you don't get that happiness
you can be sure that your heart is impure. And you'll come to know
about state of purity of your heart by your attachment to this world.
The degree, with which you experience joy and sorrow, the comfort and
discomfort, gain and loss, praise and insult etc, shows you the state
of purification of the heart. The more is the feeling, the less pure
is the heart. Again another criterion is receiving the spiritual
experience itself.
With
God and Saint there is not a problem of giving the spiritual
happiness, the problem is with non-availability of person. They're
actually waiting for some one to come forward. There is no scarcity
of compassion, it is free flowing; there is scarcity of candidates.
If
you don't think that you are a soul I think it may not be possible
for you to advance you in the spiritual realm. Because when you think
of God you think of someone who is beyond normal human perception,
that is, you too must have such appearance and that appearance is
called as a soul. In devotion (divine love) liberty is given to
assume God in the form that your mind can perceive. That perception
is material but God does know that you're thinking of him and he
gives you divine effect of your material thinking. It is true for
other disciplines. In the divine love you don' have think of any lock
ups. Just think God is your beloved and you are his darling and leave
rest to God. However, there is a general belief that complicated
things are more appealing but actually simple ones produce the best
results. Of course, you will need the background readings so that
your mind should not mix up material happiness with divine God.
Regarding good deed we usually refer to acts of charity without any
religious background and religious good deed is a deed performed as
told by scriptures. Both of them are not of much value unless they
are performed with the intention of seeking love to God.
There
is no need to die every moment but there is need to remember God
every moment as your beloved.
Yes! The aim is achieved in STEPS only. One must know where to start. The beauty of Divine Love is that you can take it up at any stage. It works in two ways.
1.
To clean the heart. This is of course essential at any stage till
heart is completely clean.
2. To deliver the spiritual happiness
according to one's state of purification. Well! It will never be of
infinite magnitude till the heart is completely clean.
Regarding
the second query about the people who are taken to religion, Krishn
states that
'Any religious deed that is devoid of me is a sin and
any sin that is committed for me is a religious deed' (Bhagawat)
Let
us elaborate it little bit.
Religious
deeds have capability to take you to heaven. Heavenly pleasures are
still material albeit they are much superior to worldly pleasures.
And once they are exhausted, you've to come back to this world and
that to in inferior lives of animals and plants. The reason is the
purpose of human life is that you should try to progress spiritually.
The
deed in itself cannot give you the effect. God coordinates deeds and
effects. In case of any religious deed unless you think that there is
a divine God and you're doing the religious deed to get his
compassion so that you can see him, the religious deed has no
meaning. Thus the religious deed that is aimed at getting worldly
pleasures is useless. It is just that something is better than
nothing.
Another
point is that compassion is act of donating without any return
because God cannot bear the pathetic condition of the affected soul.
The word natural means without any reason associated with it. It is
just the nature of God. You'll notice that the experience of infinite
happiness comes only through natural compassion of God and that
compassion is based on surrender to God. Surrender means getting
governed by God. Since you cannot see God it is difficult to
surrender to God. The reason is at any point of time you'll take
decisions for you according to your understanding while the condition
is you must get governed by brain of God. Therefore, saint is
necessary. You behave according to what he tells and when a saint
governs you completely, your surrender to God is complete.
God
cannot shower his ultimate natural compassion without surrender and
there cannot be any divine knowledge without ultimate compassion of
god. We are all there because of natural compassion of god. But I am
talking of the compassion that reveals his divine form there is no
other way to get spiritual knowledge. Scriptures do not contradict on
this issue.
Arjun
tells Krishn, "I've got knowledge because of your compassion."
There are many quotations from different scriptures stressing this
point. If you want them, let me know. I'll send them to you.
The problem with spiritual or divine is it lies beyond description. For that matter even material love lies beyond description. The only way is to do some practice. At any point of time either you make your heart pure or make it impure! Therefore, there is a need for continuous practice in the one direction without having any deviating thoughts.
God
actually is waiting for us to turn to him from time infinite. Just
accept him as yours and you've to do nothing else. You'll come to
know yourself what divinity means! Divinity is experience and one
must have that experience to know what it is. For example a small
child who is unaware of sex cannot understand what could be joy in
romantic relationship nor anyone can make him understand. It is only
when one's mind develops one can understand true meaning through
experience.
Logic
You're perfectly right there. Your mind will accept only that logic as real logic for your behavior in day-to-day life with which you are comfortable. It is the logic with which you can be happy. Owing to the notion of happiness, mind thinks a particular logic to be better than any other logic, which does not appeal to your concept of the happiness. That is the reason you'll find people believe in different theories.
In
fact there is no action without any decision and decision is based on
some logic or other. The acceptance of logic depends on state of
individual mind. Which logic leads you where is altogether a
different issue.
Deeds
First important thing is we had infinite lives and in those infinite lives we did infinite activities (karmas). To exhaust all of them you'll need another infinite lives. That way it is not possible to get rid of past actions. As we have seen any action has two dimensions. First is the effect and another is the inscription that it leaves on the mind. There are certain activities that can be performed to get rid of effects of sinful deeds. But it cannot wipe the inscription that is left on the mind as a result of the said sinful action. We create desires because of these inscriptions and pure heart means clean heart that does not create any materialistic desire.
If
one reaches the state of pure heart, God burns all his past actions
and their effects. This is what Krishn tells Arjun in Geeta
'Surrender to me and me alone. I'll relieve you from all your sins
and good deeds' Importantly it is not only sins but also good deeds
that are binding. You are subjected to effects of even good deeds.
Regarding
layers, there are many types of them. But when you love God you need
not worry about them. All layers burn automatically because of heat
of separation from God.
Regarding Puja and Mantra, they fall
under VAIDHI BHAKTI (Prescribed Devotion). In this type of practice
there are many rules and regulation, which are prescribed by the
scriptures and which are to be adhered to.
The
practice, which this club propagates, is that of RAGANUGA BHAKTI
(Free Devotion). This type of love is devoid of any rules and
regulations. The only rule is you must love God all the time. Just as
any girl thinks of her beloved. She is engaged in her day-to-day
activities but her mind is absorbed in sweet experience that she had
in company of her beloved. The more she thinks of it; more she wants
to meet him. Thus her thoughts keeps on spinning and twisting around
her beloved. In the exactly same way your thoughts should be
restricted to God. You can create, with your imaginations, instances
of union and separation with him thinking him as a boy and you as a
girl.
Remember
nothing is real until GOD descends in reality with infinite happiness
and collects you in his arms.
Let us address the problem from the beginning.
We
have lived infinite lives and committed infinite actions. If you want
to go through effects of all the actions, it will take another
infinite lives because infinity is something that has no end. By this
logic we will never be out of the cycles of actions and their
effects.
When
one gets human life, only a part of all the past actions form your
fate. It is called as PRABDHA or destiny. The total collection of
your actions, which called as SANCHIT KARMA or accumulated actions,
is still there.
One
has to go through the effects of the destiny. Accumulated actions are
burnt when one purifies his or her heart. See The Gita, it very clear
states that 'Surrender to me and me alone leaving all kinds of
religions and I'll relieve you of all bonds of your deeds.' Thus, one
does not have to undergo experiencing effects of all the actions that
committed in the past.
You
would then wonder 'Where is the justice?' It is automatically taken
care of by purification mechanism. You'll have to work harder to
clean up the cloth, which is dirtier. In this regard, nothing can be
done. Even God cannot clean your heart unless you do it yourself. Had
that been possible, none of us would have been here suffering from
all sorts of pains including birth and death! God, who is so kind,
would do so without our telling him a word about it. God, of course,
through his persons, assists you to a great extent in this process.
But whatever small fraction of work is expected out of you will be
incrementing if you engage in sinful activities more.
Word and heart
There is small story that demonstrates the problem of not getting turned to God. A person approached a saint and told him, 'I want to take up a divine course that will lead me to God but this world, the relatives does not allow me to do that. What should I do?'
Saint
asked 'Do you have faith in me?' 'Yes!' replied the man, 'That's why
I've approached you.' Saint took the person to a tree. One of its
branches was bent on the well. Saint asked the person to climb the
tree and to go forward on that branch which was right above the well.
Saint asked the person to make his hands free, which were holding on
to the branch. By doing so the person would have obviously fallen
into the well.
Out
of fear, that person did not obey the saint. So the saint explained
to him, 'Look! You hold on to this world, to your status, to your
money, to your relatives, to your friends! And you just pretend to
have faith in God or Saint. You never behave according to their
preaching. If you had faith that there is no difference between saint
and God, you would have left the branch of the tree. I was there to
save you! There is a lot of difference between surrender by words and
surrender by heart.'
Fact and Postulates
The reasoning behind this fact is our intellect relies on logic and empirical evidence for making decisions! If we say the sun gives light, it is not a postulate but a fact! There is another element known as trust but it is also outcome of logic to rely on someone from the past experiences or because it is appealing to the intellect through some logic! Even you have accepted it to be true before arguing your theory! You would not have otherwise made a single statement of reasoning! This is the postulate on which all sciences are based. There is only one exception to it and that is the divine area because that does not lie within the domain of logic and mayic empirical evidence
You can refer to ninth standard (India) book on atomic theory proposed by Bohr, which contains his postulates. Bohr assumed few things to be true and termed them as his postulates, which were proved to be incorrect subsequently! I can list all of them but that is not the topic of the discussion. Accepted truth is the sun has light!
And
final answer to proof of God-
Blind
person cannot have proof of the light. That does not mean there is no
light! Similarly when someone does not have divine vision to see or
comprehend God, he or she cannot have a proof of God. The way is to
get the vision first. And for that you have to believe in what a
person with vision says. And try to get that vision.
Waves and ocean
We all are like waves on the ocean! Meet up for one moment and depart in another! What a small period! Of few years! Compared to infinity! There is no relation among waves and waves! Relation of a wave is with Ocean! Similarly we are not related to each other at all! Our all relations are with one supreme personality, God! There cannot be any love between two imperfect souls (souls under Maya)! The soul is in the ocean of love but devoid of its experience! The famous quote, "Water, water everywhere not a drop to drink!" That is our condition! Let us focus on God! Come out of elusive thinking of loving others! That is beyond capacity of anyone! True love! It is there with God and saints! Let us set our Goal perfectly! Let us be clear of the problem! Wrong problem definition has worked havoc through all the past lives! Let the same mistake not repeat again! Let us make resolve to see and experience God's love in this life only. You'll have to leave back whatever you have, any way, one-day when you die! All pride, wealth, prestige, education, skills, fame, relations... everything! Why to cling to it now? Let's make it in this life!
Input-Process-Output Model of a Living Organism
This life can be compared to input-process-output model.
We
have
1) Input devices : Our senses (they can also act as output devices)
2) Processing unit: Mind it processes input
3) Output : Decisions and Various sorts of feelings.
Real
output of this model should be infinite happiness.
Reason: Those, who had controlled inputs and process of thinking well, ended up in getting divine senses, which could comprehend infinite exhilaration. Plenty of such examples are there in the form of saints.
If
you wish to convert raw materials into desired output, you need to
control the quality and quantity raw material, machinery conditions
and process conditions to get desired result. Similarly, judicious
choice of what to see, what to read, what to eat, what to drink, what
to hear, what to touch, how to channel thinking yields divine
happiness.
The
process of acquiring divine happiness is
1. To
read or listen to ways and means of acquiring divine happiness.
2.
Think it over again and again
3. Take necessary actions
4. And
stick to the path without deviating.
To be simpler,
We
are in pursuit of happiness.
We will not be fully satisfied unless
we acquire unlimited happiness.
Such happiness is not available in
any material object.
It is only available with God.
We can get
that happiness only through his boundless compassion.
That
compassion is available only to those whose hearts are pure.
Heart
can be made pure through surrender to a genuine saint.
To
surrender is to do practice of spiritual discipline according to
preaching of the saint or Guru.
Tension
You must know why there is TENSION.
What are the causes of its RETENTION?
Why there is no point in its SUSPENSION.
You must work with SUSTAINTION. By its SUPPRESSION.
And finally get rid of one TENSION With another TENSION
And throw both after PERFECTION
And enjoy the divine life without any RESTRICTION.
Who cares for Love?
That seems to be an extraordinary statement. But equally true. You think that your family members, relatives and friends want love from you. A big NO! Everyone actually is interested in getting his work done from you. Work can be psychological like acquiring happiness through some sort of relationship or it could be actual physical work. Everyone expects that you behave in such a way that your actions display love. No one is interested to know whether you actually love from your heart or not as long as any of your outward behaviors does point to absence of love. God, on other hand, demands that you must love him with bottom of your heart. God does not go by outward actions, however religious they might be!
So, the requirement of the material persons and divine God are totally different. One is interested in outward display of love and the other one in love at your heart. That is, material persons expect acting of love and God expects your heart. Thus you have no problem. You can meet requirement of both at the same time. Act in world and Love God with some relationship.
Unworthiness
There is problem that has come forth. Is to feel unworthy irrational? Remember one very important point. 'GOD gives tremendous importance to the persons who think that they are really unworthy.' It is actually acceptance of the fact that you're away from God because your heart is filled with all sorts of selfish desires which makes you feel unworthy. You're accepting your fault.
To become humble! That's one way to achieve God. The more humble you become the nearer you are to God. Look, when you love him, at that time of course you NEVER think that you're unworthy. You think that GOD loves you as any other man does! That is because you're beautiful and attractive. So, it is usual Love. An important point is GOD IS HAPPINESS. When I discussed states of mind, you must have noticed that mind can be either filled with ego or with happiness. Therefore, feeling unworthy helps to get near to God. You're unworthy as far as your materialistic desires are concerned not when you think that you're God's darling and He is your beloved. Romantic Love is far superior to the joy that you get through meditation. I can give you full assurance that you will come across definite signals from God, if you stick to path of Divine Love. And it is question of changing the way of thinking. Expect some difficulty. Be courageous. My well wishes are always with you. Bhakti (Devotion, Love)
Detachment is art of living in this world without deriving material happiness through it.
There
is no question of getting affected. It is the knowledge that THERE IS
NO HAPPINESS in this world, Because SORROW is outcome of assuming
happiness in any object.
BHAKTI (Love) is of two types. One
is material love to God called as SADHANA BHAKTI (Practice Love) and
another is Divine called as SIDHHA BHAKTI (Divine Love OR Perfect
Love). All aspirant of Divine Love try to love God with material mind
and with material thinking. Practice Love helps in purification of
heart. There is no infinite happiness associated with Practice Love
while infinite happiness is associated with Divine Love and one can
get Divine Love only after HEART IS 100% PURE. Before getting Divine
Love, one also gets Divine Mind that can accommodate Divine Love.
Thus there are differences between two.
In romantic parlance Happiness is personalized as Krishn and Love is personalized as Radha. Soul can neither become God nor it can become Love. Soul and God are bound to each other by LOVE.
There is a difference between meditation and love. Meditation is very abstract relationship with God while love is extremely intimate relationship with God. Love allows you to think of GOD as one of you so that you can express your love without any inhibitions.
Madness
Everyone is one mad about something. About money, about fame, about sports, about studies, about sex, about wine, about power ... There are very few who are mad about GOD.
That is the reason why being mad is to be so important. The word madness means to be impressed so much by someone or something that you're ready to give up everything to secure the one, which you're after.
Gopi
who love Krishn say 'I can renounce this world, my father, my mother,
my husband, my son, my daughter, my brothers and sisters BUT I CANNOT
LET GO KRISHN FROM MY HEART.'
And further, 'I see him
everywhere. In house, In river, In forest.... Every where.'
Logic
Logic is chain of thinking or chain of reasoning that leads to some conclusion. It is of course a product of mind.
You're perfectly right there. Your mind will accept only that logic as REAL LOGIC for your behavior in day to day life with which you are comfortable; the logic with which you can be happy. And mind thinks that logic is better than any other logic told by someone else. That is the reason you'll find people believe in different theories.
In
fact there is no action without any decision and decision is based on
some logic or other. The acceptance of logic depends on state of
individual mind. Which logic leads you where is altogether a
different issue
There can be a platform where different thoughts can be put up for discussion but acceptance of another person's logic will not be possible unless the logics of the two persons coincide with each other. That is only when two persons believe in the same reasoning and conclusions in totality they can be on same platform.
Although
there are sets of rules for logic, and even though there are theories
without any logical flaws according to those rules, people do accept
those flawless theories because such theories do not comply with
their own logic.
If
any theory is accepted as logical and correct, intellect will force
mind to take a course of life according to accepted logic.
Practice
It is not at all compulsory to think divinity in the places where you find it difficult to imagine. But at the same time realize that there are others who find it most convenient to think divinity in idol. Every one has liberty to choose the way to achieve the aim. Here in India people find it most convenient to think that there is DIVINE GOD present in the idol. They think it is REAL Krishn and take his complete care as if that idol were a living being.
Better
way is to imagine GOD is with you in the form according to your
liking.
The
theory of KARMA YOGA is 'Senses in work, Mind with God'. This is
theory of DEEDS. That is what Krishn tells Arjun in GEETA. 'Think of
me all the time and keep on ding your work.'
Although it
looks like difficult, it can be achieved with constant practice
Regarding me
I was making it clear why there should be differences between Meditation and Love. And when it comes to love you got to consider relationships. And bliss of romantic relation is something that even all Parmhansa also crave for.
Well
regarding me, it was a very simple approach I took in my life. After
listening to one of preachers of Shri Kripaluji Mahaprabhu, I thought
there is a lot of substance in what I was told. At that point of time
I wasn't very sure regarding existence of God but I decided to give
it a serious try. I studied his book 'Prem Ras Siddhanta' (Philosophy
of Divine Love) very carefully. Attended spiritual practice camps
over last 15 years and during this period, owing to compassionate
teacher Shri Kripaluji Mahaprabhu, I developed strong faith in God.
And now it is very clear to me that there are differences in ultimate
states achieved through different approaches. To support this, I
decided to give it a logical base thinking that the west would be
more impressed by logic than by statements from scriptures. Of
course, Hindu Scriptures support this idea of variation.
Regarding
non-accessibility of supreme love to the yogis, the logic goes like
this. Once you get something infinite, you'll remain entrapped in it
because that is the meaning of infinity. And if that infinite
happiness is through yogic practices, you can see that you'll be
deprived of bliss of love forever. For references to various Hindu
Scriptures you can purchase a copy of Philosophy of Divine Love,
which is English Translation of Prem Ras Siddhanta.
It
is my request to you to please click on the links and go through The
Permanent Solution and Net Talk.
And
if you want to treat some one as your Guru then the person is SHRI
KRIPALU MAHAPRABHU and not I.
Beast
That human being is a beast, who does not set God realization as his only goal.
I'm talking of goal setting. This world is device that provides necessary atmosphere to seek that goal. Knowing theory is a must. One must make all his actions as service to God. For example,
“I eat so that I get energy which I can utilize to love God. I sleep because I need to fresh whenever I approach him. I talk to other people because that will make him happy because my talking may invoke strong desire in someone's heart to seek him. My all actions are directed to make him happy.” This sort of thinking is what we are looking for, and not beastly satisfaction of the senses.
Define God
God is another name of reservoir of unlimited exhilaration. To be more precise, God is unlimited and never-ending happiness. It is usually defined as the power that creates (releases) the universe, supports the universe and absorbs the universe in the end. How such powers can be attributed to happiness please click on founder's personal home page and read the permanent solution.
And
I expect your feedback on THE PERMANENT SOLUTION, which you will find
at founder's personal home page.
Suppression
This club is not for free expression of material love. In fact there is need to understand basic differences between DIVINE LOVE and WORLDLY LOVE.
It
is true that SUPPRESSION does not work well. You can allow all your
feelings to flow without control in SPIRITUAL AREA. Therefore the way
is to THINK that DIVINE GOD with all his INFINITE HAPPINESS is
present where your mind goes. That is you're trying to visualize
presence of DIVINE GOD and NOT of any MATERIAL PERSON. To be more
precise you cannot think of any material personality IF you're
thinking of GOD. This is BECAUSE mind can think only one thing at any
point of time. Worldly love is actually just satisfaction of your own
sensual pleasures in guise of LOVE. Unless you're completely happy,
unless you've infinite treasure of happiness with you, you CANNOT
love anyone else. A person CANNOT DONATE something that he does not
have. Say for example, a beggar cannot give you a million dollars
even if he wants to. For this reason you cannot go on discussing
experiences of worldly LOVE and because that is NOT what we're
looking for.
The
best way is to imagine that GOD is present with you in the form that
YOU LIKE BEST. Have any kind of relationship with him that you wish
to have. No need to exercise any control. JUST remember one thing
that HE MUST BE HAPPY to receive you. And gradually you'll notice
that the objects, which were so attractive to you, are totally
lack-luster. DIVINE LOVE is an experience connected with NEVER ENDING
happiness.
Where is God?
If He is in your heart you'll see him everywhere in Church, in Temple, in Caba. And philosophy tells you how to reach to this stage. And along the path, sacred places help us in developing feeling of divinity. It just a matter of understanding which is useful where!
If
you look at Christ statue without thinking divinity associated with
it, it is just collection of mud for you.
If you look at Idol
without thinking that there is GOD dwelling in it, that idol is just
a piece of stone for you.
If
you don't understand what philosopher says, it is just a piece of
paper, which can be used to clean shit.
Everything
depends on your attitude.
Object and Reflection
In an attempt to explain how God occupies each and every particle and still be different from all those particles- with all his divine attributes intact- most common example that is given in scriptures is as follows.
You
have SUN. If you put mirror in front of it, you can see SUN in the
mirror. The reflection of SUN cannot be existent without existence of
SUN at the same time SUN is altogether different or separate from its
reflection in the MIRROR.
Where do you want to GO?
People are unhappy! Unsatisfied! They suffer from pain, anguish, grief, death! God, who is all-powerful and all knowing, cannot do anything about it. God just assists us in achieving what we want to achieve. You would say 'who is interested in hell or sufferings?' Yes people are! Otherwise why one should associate oneself with acts those have such effects? It is like you take plane for some other country than India and after reaching there wonder 'Oh! How come am I here? I wanted to go to India!' So let us be judicious in our actions! Since actions in God's realm are limited to thinking, let us improve our thinking. Let us get spiritually oriented.
Judgment
I think you're not very correct when you claim that universe in without fear and judgement. Many people do live under fear. And of course there are so many judgements passed on to us by God! Regarding your look, position, nation etc. As far your definition of love, you're in fact mixing happiness, exhilaration with love. And above all supernatural love has capacity to even mesmerize God. That love relieves you through all kinds of sufferings, tensions etc for once and all.
Why
God and Saint ask from us?
There
is one story from Mahabharat. It goes like this. I hope all of you
know about Mahabharat. To explain in short, there was a group of five
brothers (Pandav). And another group of 100 brothers (kaurav). Pandav
were religious and Kaurav were villainous. Kaurav played some dirty
game and expelled Pandav to FOREST. Not being content with this, they
planned to send one ascetic with 100s of his students to pandav.
Objective was that ascetic would ask them food and if pandav cannot
provide, they will be ruined by his curse. Pandav had one magic pot.
One could get as much as food from it but only once a day. Kaurav
timed visit of ascetic in such a way that ascetic would visit Pandav
after that pot had been utilised for that day. He kept ascetic in
dark regarding his real motives. Krishn was friend of Pandav.
So
ascetic went to Pandav and asked food. He told them that he along
with all his students is going for bath in the river and Pandav must
keep food ready for all before his return. Pandav were extremely
worried. While ascetic was busy in taking bath, Krishn approached
Pandav. Pandav thought they could now be getting some solution.
Instead Krishn asked them some food for him. Draupadi, wife of
pandav, told him that she could not arrange food for him because the
magic pot had been used and washed for that say. Krishn asked to look
for anything that might have escaped washing. Draupadi checked pot
and found that one leaf of some preparation was sticking to the pot.
Krishn demanded that. He swallowed the leaf and told Pandav that
satisfied him. Krishn, being omnipresent, carried that feeling of
satisfaction right up to the hearts of ascetic and students of
ascetic. All of them felt that their belly is full and would not be
able to eat any thing. Thinking that it would be difficult to face
Pandav and accept their hospitality, he went away.
That is if GOD
or SAINT ask something from you, their motive is to bring you
comfort.
Divine Cure - II
We need
healing. That is to say there are sufferings. What is their cause? If
there is divine cure, why the divine power, which is supposed to be
omnipotent, does not shower the cure on all those who are suffering.
Why can't we prevent someone from dying? It is simply because the
root causes of sufferings are the deeds of many lives. And unless
there is guarantee that one may never get engaged in the kind of deed
that caused the sufferings, no one including God, who is source of
all divine powers can do anything about our pains. Had it been
possible for him, he would have done so without your calling him for
rescue. The process, however, is that we must get over the desire
that was the cause of the deed which in turn subjected us to
sufferings. Unless heart is pure, no one should expect that his or
her sufferings would come to an end.
Well, you have got it.
Only one thing remains, when we try to heal, what are we aiming at?
Are we aiming at symptoms or the cause of the disease?
If
the viruses are not removed, healing will be of not much sense, as
disease would surface again. A doctor must tell patient the origin of
pains and sufferings and prescribe his medicine accordingly. That
what I find lacking with divine cure in particular. You must direct
your patient to overcome the root cause, which is desire. And you are
aware that as long as there is mind, desires will be there. You
cannot stop them. It can end only if mind is engrossed permanently
with the happiness that never fades. In such situation, mind cannot
make any desire for it is continuously engaged in something else.
That's the solution. To direct our desires from material to spiritual
area. And eventually end up in securing the infinite and eternal
happiness.
Why try to see God
There is no denying what you're saying is correct. Still there is something to be understood. Although God is everywhere, we cannot experience that infinite happiness anywhere. There is some problem with us. What is it that prevents us from having his experience in true sense? We experience short-lived excitement while real excitement should be never receding. Infinity has another aspect that it is infinite in infinite directions. Therefore god is supposed to be powerhouse of infinite powers and yet we are so powerless! It means we need to take some efforts to realise God even he is there everywhere.
Logic and Love
Indian
philosophy is usually referred to as Hindu philosophy. Non-dualism
(Adwaita) is one of its faculties. If you through the permanent
solution, you would agree that mind is the sole cause of all
feelings. Actually what I tried is to present philosophical concepts
in very Logical manner. Many of the statements I've made could be
traced to some or other Hindu scripture. Since in this age of science
it is difficult for anyone to accept scriptures to their literal
meaning, one must try to see logic behind it. Of course, God is
divine and anything related to Him would be beyond logic.
Logic
serves some purpose all the same. It tells us - What are we after?
Why should we accept existence of God? What way should be adopted in
seeking the truth? Which could be the best and why? It can never be
aimed at understanding God himself.
The philosophy of non-dualism
rests on the principle that tells us to get rid of problematic
instrument all together, which is mind in this case. Once mind is
killed, you will not experience any sorrow and that removal of pains,
sufferings, and desires gives you a sort of pleasure which you would
never want to let go. Thus you are trapped for time infinite.
The
philosophy of divine love rests on the principle of transformation of
mind from material to divine. In this way you experience happiness
continuously, which actually depends on state of your mind just
before the transformation. Therefore you will notice there are many
categories of saints, all of them have infinite happiness but their
individual experience varies. Whatever is state of other saints,
whether above in the hierarchy or below, doesn't bother you at all.
Nevertheless quality of your happiness is definitely inferior to the
ones that are at higher level.
Our discussion points out that
happiness is in fact a supernatural power. We call it as God.
Similarly LOVE is supernatural power. In simple terms we can define
love as 'Will to make your beloved happy without caring for your
state of affairs'. You need to ponder over four aspects of
Love.
Love
itself.
One who Loves (Subject of Love).
Whom love is offered
to. (Object of love).
Relationship.
When you Love you try
to cling to your object not because you want your happiness but to
think that what will be fate of your beloved if you won't get any
chance to make him happy. You cannot force Him anyway. If he does
forsake you, you still Love the same object. There are occasions when
you're so absorbed in thoughts of your beloved that you start
behaving as if you were him. Even to have this state, Love must be
present always. It cannot melt.
My
writing is based on a book in Hindi, by Hindi Philosopher of this age
who tried to build theory from quotations from various scriptures.
Philosophy
of love is philosophy of Dwaita (dualism). You can see as opposed to
Adwaita (non-dualism), it accepts existence of Soul and God as
different entities.
Thank
you.
Doing Nothing
Few
important points regarding surrender to God. Do you know what is it?
It is not doing anything!
When
you surrender to doctor, you go by his instructions; you surrender
yourself to him. But in this case it is not possible for doctor to
control your intellect by penetrating into it.
When you surrender to God, he penetrates into your intellect and takes all decisions for you. You are not doing anything. That's the GOAL. Not the beginning. We'll have to reach that stage and for that we need to take a lot many efforts.
I'll narrate the famous episode from Mahabharat.
Draupadi
was to be stripped of her clothes in a packed courtroom. She first
relied on her husbands; no help came. Then she relied on elders in
the courts, then on her own force. When nothing seemed to be working,
she called Lord throwing herself totally to Him and then only he
saved her from ignominy. That explains when God comes to you. Only
after you throw yourself to Him and only Him.
To reach this stage of course we'll have to do something.
Although fate of other objects is not under your control, what object you'll get exposed to is and will be under your control. Otherwise someone else would be held responsible for your fate. And God will appear to make unfair judgments. That is impossible. Unfair or incorrect decisions can be attributed to two motives:
1.You're not aware of reality.
2. You've some vested interest.
God being omniscient, first possibility is ruled out. Regarding second, He gives everything to us and we're not giving him anything in return. That is he cannot expect anything out of us. Thus second possibility is also ruled out. Therefore, it is always you who are responsible for your state of affairs and no one else
Evolution
As far evolution, I personally believe that there is no such process. Regarding the creation of universe I can tell you that even God does not create it. There is very important principle, which states that "Something, which is existing, will never cease to exist and something, which is non-existent, will never come into existence." Changes in form are permissible. Therefore there cannot be any new creation. God releases the universe that he was holding it with him and we call it as creation of universe. All souls according to their deeds occupy position in respective species. The objective of his doing so is that souls can try for their liberation. They are under the captivity of ignorance since time infinite. They can liberate themselves only when they're in human form. To get human form they may have to cross ladders of other species. Again depending on what they do when they get human form their future is decided.
When God find that the very purpose for which universe is created is totally lost, He destroys it and again re arranges at the time of creation. It again falls down and the cycle continues.
Science and God
That's
fantastic! You want to claim that this vast and infinite universe
must lie with in the purview of Science! What's the final authority
of science? Human brain of course! And this brain just cannot intake
infinite input and produce infinite output. So how science can deal
with it?
We must realise that if something is out of the scope of
an instrument, we cannot use that instrument to evaluate that
something. For example, you cannot hear with your eyes! That is
because sound does not fall within the domain of eyes. It would be
wiser to accept the limitation of the science! It would be in our
benefit! I really wonder why one should reject claims of all saints
all over the world that there is God and they have experienced him!
Again Logic goes in favour of existence of God. I request you to
please go through The Permanent Solution at
We should accept circumstantial evidence, if it is supported by logic. The problem of all means the problem of every individual. What's the real problem? Real problem is everyone wants to be happy! Spiritualism is then addressing the problem of all irrespective of their class, creed, nation and financial status! Well I don't deny the need to provide necessary physical assistance for them to survive but that must be regarded as detached activity. You mind must always be absorbed in remembrance of God! Difficult to achieve. But once you master it, infinite excitement is what you experience.
Saint's preaching usually has two aspects.
One deals with soul and another with social systems. That is because civilization cannot be there without social system. He may tell you what you should be doing. He could establish many customs so that everyone can live peacefully so that their concentration on God does not get disturbed.
Well!
That’s not the subject for now. My only concern is if we deny
having disease that we have; we are the greatest fools! Because in
that case you would never try to cure it!
Limitation of Science
Hallow Brother!
Sorry
there was a little mistake in address correct one
is
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Well, Circumstances are:
1.There is no proper explanation of origin of universe.
2, There is no proper explanation of how first living being came into existence and what were exact conditions under which process of evolution was actuated and why it came to halt.
3. No one has seen mind; still it is the most vital force.
4.
There is no proper explanation of diversity in living conditions of
living beings.
5. There are eyewitnesses saying that there exists
God and He created (or released) the universe so that human beings
can make efforts to realise God.
Many
more could be listed.
Regarding what you said, work groups and the knowledge of generations are all finite. Every thing is countable. Hardly history of 5000 yrs we know. Infinity is beyond counting. The problem is all our finite world rests on infinite force beneath it. Just like computers. You can have very simple rules. Click this and you'll see so and so. Can that be taken as base? You cannot do that! Right? Base is software and hardware employed beneath it. So there are rules that atoms follow. Rules that living being follow. They are not base rules. Base rules are different. We need to know about them to get clear idea of this world and the living beings. And since they deal with infinite, there has to be at least one brain, which really deal with infinite input to see what these rules are. And if those rules are to be understood by another person, again that other person should have ability to grasp infinity.
I
do not disagree with science and its established rules. All that I
want to stress is they are dependent on certain basic rules.
Science
is essential so that our physical necessities are taken care of.
Happiness can not be brought through science. It lies in concepts.
You will get to know what I'm saying once you are through the above
link.
Thank
you very much for your interest.
Divine
Cure -I
There was an invitation to attend divine cure camp.
I've already recorded my views on this subject. I'm quite confident that unless you diagnose the disease correctly, no cure is possible. I'd like to know your opinion on
1. What is aim of any life?
2. What are the characteristics associated with that objective?
3. How that objective can be achieved?
4. If you accept presence of divine power, what is its role?
5. How do you define yourself?
These questions are quite important ones. Unless you have solutions to them, whatever you do will be a shot in dark. Because you are not aware of implications of what you are doing, it may even lead you to more miseries.
Happiness
Everyone without any exception seeks happiness; all of us know.
The
mayic or materialistic pleasures are of exhaustive type. This
happiness is outcome of inputs received through our senses. All our
feelings are such that they originate within our mind and affect our
mind in certain way as to limit its further behavior. At certain
state it so happens that mind is no more capable of producing any
further happiness and it has to undergo process of extensive
sufferings to able to produce happiness again. Thus it'll have to be
sent to hell to enable it to generate happiness. Therefore, the
materialistic pleasures are denounced everywhere.
Spiritual
happiness on the contrary affects your mind in such a way that mind
enhances capacity of generating happiness with its every occurrence.
And you experience never-ending bliss!
Once you have access to
divine happiness that is of infinite magnitude, you experience ever
increasing happiness of Love to Lord after your heart is conditioned
(after purification and transformation) by process as directed by
Saint.
Faith
Faith is outcome of knowledge that there exists Supreme personality. Since your knowledge is based on your own experiences, you must get some spiritual experience so that you know yourself that there is God. To get spiritual experience you will have to believe in God and perform some exercises to purify your heart. At certain stage of purification, God will give clear signals of his existence. From this point onwards your job becomes easy. Do not think that you will never lose faith thereafter. Faith depends on purity of heart and if you engage in activities, which make your heart impure, you are bound to lose gained faith. The cycle of Faith-Exercises-Stronger Faith has to continue till you achieve God realization
Truth and faith
Some one told me that he believes in only truth. He believes that object falls towards earth because he observes it to be true. Here is the reply to the query.
You're
perfectly right there. You would want to check it for yourself if
some tells you that objects fall in the direction of earth. Similarly
if there is any other complicated scientific phenomenon, you'll again
try to confirm it. What procedure would you follow? You WILL first
BELIEVE it, then conduct experiment according to the scientific
procedure mentioned and THEN ONLY you'll come to know about truth -
say for example whether there are X-rays or not.
In
first case you hardly need any efforts to observe falling of object
towards earth. Nevertheless the process of establishing truth was the
same. Believe in the law of gravitation to be true, observe apple
falling down, make necessary computations and finally have a faith in
the law that the law is really true. In second one you need little
more efforts. When it comes to God you need still more efforts.
Procedure is the same. If scientists decide not to experiment beyond
what is true there may not be inventions at all! Usually you propose
hypothesis, conduct experiments to judge its potential and accept it
as truth or reject it.
In
spiritual area other's experiences are meaningless to you and
therefore, you need to take efforts yourself before rejecting
existence of God. Again if it is the truth that there is God and if
someone does not accept Him, God is not going to vanish. The rules
with which He governs will be same for all. Therefore, it is in our
own benefit that we should try to judge existence of God
ourselves.
Scripture Statements
About many statements in scripture there is a view that they are misleading. They do not conform to our physical laws. That should not mean that scriptures are wrong. If you knew the process of God realization, you would agree that it needs a large amount of concentrated efforts in one direction. That direction is God. Aspirant must think of God and only God and nothing else. That is the only way to purify the heart. Looking at the objective of scriptures to explore mind and its transformation, all those statements are quite justified. Let us see a case. In the Hindu scriptures it is stated that two daemons Rahu and Ketu swallow the sun and moon and we see the eclipse. Modern science has come up with the reasoning of objects and shadows. If you see to it, first reasoning takes people to God. It sets in action a flurry of religious activities to purify the house, body etc. That is, people think of God. The second reasoning offered by science is meaningless; it takes you nowhere spiritually. From this point of view all the statements in the scriptures are justified and therefore, those statements are not wrong even if according to science those statements are wrong.
Proof
of God
Hi!
Proof
of God! What way? God is divine. A reservoir of infinite happiness!
How are you going to perceive it? Refer to The Permanent Solution at
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There in course of reading you'll find why it is not possible to
render proof of his divine personality. Yet there is sufficient Logic
and experiences of persons (Saints) to testify existence of God.
To
be precise, you can render proof for only those things that lie
within domain of your senses, mind and intellect. God invariably lies
beyond senses, mind and intellect.
Again
you believe in so many without any proof including your father! You
don't have proof that the person you are calling Dad is really your
father. Don't get annoyed! I just want to point out that it is only
with God that you expect proof and you don't want to believe in Him.
The only way to settle doubts about His existence is to believe in
Him, work out some spiritual exercises and see it yourself.
Dualism
What you say is quite justified. When you attain God realization you experience His divine happiness everywhere. Before that you are aware what you perceive.
Philosophically
speaking no can induce sufferings to anyone else. Sufferings are due
to you because of your past deeds, other persons just carries them to
you. If you were innocent you would never get exposed to such
situations. God determines your exposure.
Sometimes
it is essential to prove someone wrong if his or her ways are harmful
to himself or herself. It is not a display of adverse attitude
towards individual but it is an act, which could bring some relief to
the individual.
Rationalism
Rational being. How do you define it? What sort of behavior or thinking can be treated as rational? Spiritual rationalism based on presence of GOD while atheist rationalism based on absence of GOD.
In
my opinion rational beings are those who bring happiness to others,
those who know the truth. Rationalism based on falsehood cannot
really be rational.
I
wrote about scripture statements because site that you mentioned was
related to atheism and writer expressed some doubts regarding the
statements in scripture.
After
God realization, you are full with infinite happiness and then only
you can really be rational in your behavior, as you would try to make
others happy by sharing your happiness with them. Till then you
yourself are trying to seek your own happiness. Your every action is
directed to it.
About hiding or secrecy you're aware that in
many cases secrecy is kept to benefit others. Sometimes divulging
sensitive information may be disastrous. Secrecy, therefore, cannot
be termed as irrational. However, there is a difference in the
politicians who keep things secret for their selfish ends and in the
saints who keep things secret for the benefit of the followers.
One God for All
Do you think God's saying is limited to the Bible? What was before that? Wasn't there any world present? Were there no Saints? It will be absurd to believe in such arguments. One must understand that God in reservoir of infinity. And everything about him is uncountable. Do you think God will distinguish between Christen and other religions? He is Father of all. Christen religion is propagated by Jesus who was a genuine saint and at least I've no doubt about it whatsoever. That does not mean that there are no other theories and opinions. In fact, God is powerhouse of infinite powers. And so is true about spiritual area. There are persons who worship Him as Their King, Their Master, Their Father, Their Mother, Their Son, Their Friend, Their Daughter, and Their Beloved. And in any other relation that can be conceived. The only criterion is you must keep on thinking of Him and only Him to purify your heart. All of them are correct. There are people who want all opulence of God instead of his love. Everyone will land up eventually (If not deviated from spiritual path) in spiritual realm of infinite exhilaration. The only question is why you and me are not yet successful in attaining God. We must concentrate on our hindrances and take the guidance from any corner that it comes. No point in limiting infinite power holder God to one religion or one Nation.
If
you find any Doctor who could cure your disease he should be welcome.
If we stick to our obstinate views and reject the competent doctor
and accept an incompetent doctor, (that is what we have been doing
since time infinite) we are the looser! As it is we are away from God
and we'll go further away because we are governed by petty feelings.
We must try to perform spiritual exercises and become the member of
elite club of Spiritual People in this very life. Saints can do
nothing but to render you their invaluable help during the course of
your journey. Let us try to be wise and get Knowledge of God as early
as possible. There are only two things that can happen. Either you
will improve your attachment to God or to material world. In later
case you will have to travel extra distance that you went back.
What do we lack?
We are not successful in attaining God. What do we lack?
I
think we are not able to decide whether to pursue God or not. Mind is
governed by decision taken by intellect. For example, a critical
heart patient restrains himself from all attractions of food
delicacies that will adversely affect his chances of living. It means
if there is decision, mind will have to follow the dictates of
intellect.
In
order to take decisions we usually go by -
1. Our
Ability
2. What is there for me in the object?
3. What are the
chances of the securing the object?
4. What I'll have to sacrifice
for it?
5. How long I can be happy with the achieved object?
Our Ability
When we think of God we face another hurdle. Does he exist? We cannot see him. We don't feel him etc.
The
first step would obviously bring some evidence and logic that can
establish existence of God and also an explanation to query - Why
cannot we observe him and feel him. To do this we need to take review
of what we usually do to prove or disprove any entity scientifically.
It is the method of experiment and it should be applied to confirm
existence of God. It is the method of Believe - Practical - Decision.
As to replies to why can't we see him, feel him; we must try to
understand the theory of God-Soul and Maya. Then we should see
carefully into the very nature of any individual (which is selfish
and nothing is wrong with it) and try to find what everyone in
general is after and, therefore, I myself in particular. Further we
should be able to find how attainment of God would be useful in
achieving individual's Goal. When you define Goal, you should be
careful not to stop at any intermediate stage. You might decide, “My
goal is to be a great player”. No! You must try to see what exactly
you would want through it. Yes! What I am after is the joy that is
associated with various facets of being a great player. So the goal
is joy, happiness, excitement, etc.
After
this preliminary background, let us focus on
1.Our
Ability: Supposing a child of 5 yr. is told to secure Masters Degree
in Law. You would say that it is beyond its capacity. But you find
that after 20 years he is successful in his venture. That is ability
to achieve may not be present at the present moment, but it can be
built. One should take prescribed course of actions for it. Because
basic characteristics of souls are same, if one can achieve the
capability to experience God, others too can achieve the capability,
provided they take steps necessary attain the same capability.
Thus
we can conclude that everyone has ability to achieve GOD.
States Of Mind
Let us
try to see different states of conscious mind.
1. Feeling. When
you experience happiness mind is totally engrossed in that
feeling.
2. Thinking: The same mind tries to find what should be
next action to fetch the happiness.
3. Decision: The same mind now
acts as intellect and decide on the next course of action.
4. Ego:
Mind tries to visualize you as some important entity.
Therefore,
mind can refer to all these 4 stages collectively when we say the
word mind. At times special mention of decision-making facility is
necessary and you find that mind and intellect are referred to
separately. For example "Those who are pure in Heart (mind)
shall see God"
Here heart or mind refers to all 4 states. God
says, "Give me your mind and your intellect" Intellect is
specifically mentioned to emphasize that you should not take
decisions on your own. You must consult scriptures or saint for you
do not know of your infinite past and your thinking has very limited
scope.
Thus,
you will notice that when mind is busy in experiencing happiness,
intellect and ego are idle. Since happiness occupies the highest
spot, intellect and ego get absorbed into it. To get divine pleasure,
ego has to vanish completely which means that mind should never reach
egoistic state.
Who can make others happy?
I do agree with you "For me Divine Love is unconditional, no expectations, no neediness, no jealousy, no misperceptions" The trouble is who is in possession of such love? We all are after our own happiness. You can see what I wrote in The Permanent Solution. "An individual remains in certain state of mind till it finds itself comfortable with that state and tries to change the state if the prevailing conditions no more yield any satisfaction to it and if the individual is forced to continue in the same state, in which it is not comfortable, it faces the situation with some unpleasant feelings like tension, sorrow, grudge, anxiety and so on."
We cannot think of anyone else’s happiness. Therefore, we cannot love. Regarding your statement about God and what he gives us, we must know on what basis he is doing so. Why there is so much diversity given that all are his children and we also need to think over a few points:
1. Although God is everywhere he does not tell us personally that 'See your aim is to seek me". Saint tells us about it. What could be the reason?
2. If you are present you must have been there in past and you will remain there in future. Because existing Soul cannot vanish. What then must be governing your future?
3. What does God expect out of you? How can he expect you to love others when that is just not possible? We should give little thought to our aim and realise that we'll be compelled to do something till we achieve state of never ending happiness. At that stage only one can think of making others happy. Making other’s happy that is the sole job of GOD and his persons SAINTS.
Romantic Mood
Well, the problem is we are in search of happiness and we will continue our search till we come across never ending happiness. Therefore eternity has to be there. In order to have eternity magnitude has to be infinite because finite magnitude will cease to exist sometime or later. Regarding quality of happiness, it is altogether a different dimension. You can get some idea from day-to-day life. There are many moments of satisfaction, all them can be categorized. For example, you derive happiness or satisfaction through your son or daughter, through eating, through driving, through swimming, through sleep and through romantic relationship. Supposing all of them are escalated to infinity, difference in quality would also multiply. There is no question of energy loss whatsoever because infinity-infinity=infinity. Hence all saints, who are in possession of romantic love for God, scoff at other theories just to inform that "Choice is yours. You'll get one of the spiritual happiness. Why do you want to limit to lower level where you will not have access to love?" The romantic mood is the best. There is no doubt about it.
Divine Love (Base for acquisition)
When you think of Supernatural Love and ways and means of attaining it, Karma and its bearings or Fruits are as inevitable as Action and Reaction is in physical world. If there is no fruit is associated with karma (Karma is always regarded as work of mind in spiritual parlance and goes the famous quote "Mind is the sole cause of liberation or bondage") you will not derive anything even though you practice any discipline. And when you claim that you can shape your future, you concede that whatever you have now (for example this life itself) is the result of something that you had done sometimes in your past lives. Actions will produce results provided results are associated with actions. If you do not believe this, how do you propose to acquire supreme happiness? Objective this club is to discuss supreme happiness and supernatural Love.
Divine Love is power that makes all-powerful God to be after you like any other boy following his darling. It MUST bring something infinite to you. Till that point we're not in receipt of true or divine Love. Let us not get deceived.
Meditation is essentially concentrating on God as Supreme Being. Love is to visualize God as your own beloved. A big difference!
Love
is something which all of us well versed at. We love some person or
other. To attain the supreme bliss you just need to replace the
target of your love from material persons to divine God. Rest all
procedures remain same.
Fate And Action
Let us
take stock of what is within our control and what is not.
Consider
situation that a person suffers loss of his child.
Loss of child
is something beyond your control.
How to respond to the situation
is within your control.
1. One thinks 'See how cruel God is! He
has deprived me of my son!'
2. Another thinks 'Well, where there
is life there is death. Why to blame God?'
3. Yet another thinks
'O! God is so kind! He saw that I had been getting attached to my
son! So he removed the obstacle that was inhibiting my spiritual
growth! He is really compassionate and kind!'
In spiritual
realm you get paid for your thinking. When someone exploits another
for his own gains, he is inviting trouble for him in future lives
while the one who is suffering is paying for his misdeeds of past.
Thus second person is finishing his bad spell while the first one
will be subjected to distress in future.
Situation, therefore, does not point to God as culprit but to you for your distorted thinking in past. Just try to see compassion of God in all situations however adverse they are and you will notice how speedily you progress in your spiritual venture.
Meditation And Love
When
you love someone you never think of chakras (circles) and therefore
they are out of context. One basic proposition of divine love theory
is that you'll think of God as ordinary boy except for
1. That he
is reservoir of divine or infinite happiness.
2. That he is
present everywhere.
3. That he is your protector.
Meditation
is part of Yoga. We're not discussing it
Meditation is different aspect. Love is very different. Love essentially involves two personalities: One who loves and one who receives Love. This club is specifically to discuss about Divine Love, which is the outcome of Love that one practices for God. In initial stage of practice your feelings are material but since you are giving hold of your mind to God while doing so, He goes on purifying your heart. Once the heart is completely pure, you experience the divine love, which you get from someone who has already secured it. Let us not discuss about meditation and chakras here. It is out of context.
The problem definition is very important aspect of any venture. If someone wants bring relief to others, he or she must know the reason behind those sufferings. You'd say situations that they are subjected to. Then why only those persons subjected to such situation when almighty, all knowing God is present every where. Why can't he save them? There has to be some profound theory. God will be there with all his divine qualities of compassion, divine happiness, divine beauty etc. Still we DO NOT realise him in correct version. Through theory you'd be able to diagnose the disease of suffering. Then the solution can be worked out. No point in attending to just symptoms, one must focus on cause.
To experience God every where! That is the DESTINATION not the BEGINNING. Mind can either think of GOD or of material world. If you say you want to see divinity in everything, you cannot see anything other than DIVINITY ANYWAY. That is you can perceive the world either as Material world as most of people do OR perceive it as DIVINE GOD as all saints do. To transform the vision efforts are must.
The basic problem lies in not knowing where to look for happiness and what happiness really is. You'll find all your queries settled after reading what I suggest to everyone (and to you).
I
suggest you to go through post 'Why try to see God.' As efforts are
necessary to experience God who is present everywhere, in the same
way efforts are necessary to realise beauty of Divine Love. Nothing
can be beyond infinity because infinity means something that
encompasses everything. And to realise divine form of God through
divine Love, you'll have renounce all material possessions including
that of relations. I suggest you the same reading that I suggested in
the earlier message. Please forgive me if you feel offended.
You're welcome. None of us know our infinite past. We therefore cannot decide about anyone regarding his or her spiritual standing. Divine Love is actually best to aim at easiest to achieve. Another beauty is you don't have to worry about any internals like Chakra etc. All that you know is the supreme personality is your beloved and you adore him in any form that you like. You can visualize him in costumes of your liking. While doing so you should not think of any of his powers other than
1. He knows your heart
2. His
form is divine which is full of transcendental beauty and infinite
happiness.
3. He is protecting you every moment.
We'll
discuss more of it as we go along.
Concentrated efforts in one direction can only yield results. And you are always in some compartment for that matter compartment of thinking that there should be no compartments. When there are so many schools of thoughts, you'll have select one of them. This selection cannot be regarded as compartment. You select courses for your studies. The selection is usually based on which is the best. And nothing could be better than to have personal relationship with God. There IS difference in two disciplines. No one can force anyone else to give up something unless a person takes decision himself. All that can be said is if we compare two, Divine Love is much better approach from both point of views.
1. From point of view of practice.
2. From point of view of final reception of happiness.
If you experience someone else's suffering, (which I doubt if at all possible!) it is not going to bring end to sufferings of other person. In order to remove them you must know their cause. Once cause is removed sufferings will be over forever.
I'm quite sure that you cannot experience THE SAME sufferings. You can experience ANOTHER SET of similar sufferings.
The truth is divine experience is that of infinite happiness. It is like you're traveling towards some destination. If you are advancing towards it, well and fine. If you keep on diverting from one direction to other you may find yourself at the position where you started. As I've been telling there are many ways that lead to infinite happiness but all of them differ in their final quality of experience. If you want to get any divine experience you'll have to stick to one path. And to stick to one path you'll have to make selection sooner or later.
I wish to be little bit more clear. I've been stressing that God is powerhouse of infinite powers. I think in that sense you're using the statement 'and god as having all the points of view.' I was discussing in my post that how to approach God and how love approach is the best choice and from which point of views. Now I think there should be no confusion regarding it.
SEPARATE ENTITIES
It is very vital topic you've opened up. If you see two separate houses you will say that they are separate. Won't you? Even if you want them to be one, they can not be. Subject of poetry is different from Mathematics. They are separate subjects. Similarly Divine Love and Meditation are separate subjects! I've even listed one major difference between thinking pattern of devotee (follower of Divine Love) and yogi (Follower of Meditation).
Devotee thinks that God is his beloved and takes his complete care like any fiancée takes care of her fiancé, while yogi through meditation just thinks that God is Supreme Divine Personality. Yogi tries to concentrate on God in some way or other so that he would acquire divine happiness. There is no love-relationship between Yogi and God. Yogi is not at all bothered about God as we do for our beloved ones or as devotee is worried about God. This difference in the thinking pattern affects mind differently. We have already seen that our thinking affects our own mind. Thus both of them have different states of mind before transformation from material to divine and therefore the difference between final reception of happiness.
Another point is every Soul is SEPERATE entity. They cannot become one! If two souls experience same feeling, their minds are still SEPERATE and therefore they experience two sets of same feelings. Soul, God and Maya are indestructible entities. And every soul has mind and intellect attached with it. Even during unification with God, which Gyanis achieve in their samadhi, Soul is still SEPERATE entity from God. All that happens is Soul remains in constant touch with Divine God and therefore experiences the happiness that flows from God. Soul and God do not become one! Sometimes devotee thinks and behaves as if he were God. Still Soul is different from God. Separation, which is there, will remain there.
No point in rejecting Separation between two SEPARATE entities. Unless you know basic differences between two separate theories of Materialistic and Divine approaches you cannot even think of getting on to spiritual path. God is so kind that Divine Love is accessible to all. Why do you want me to separate from it?
Knowledge of theory
I'm actually not getting what do you want to suggest through "Devoting yourself to loving god and doing HIS work (which is LOVE)" One more thing I’ve noticed is there is tendency to distinguish between heart and mind. I'm interested in knowing the differences. Third point is decision and liking could be very different. For example if exams are approaching, student will study although he may not enjoy it. His mind actually wants to play, go for dancing and so on. We therefore cannot go by what our mind is interested in. Spiritual theories must be attended to. Our mind will not of its own turn to God. You'll have to decide that I must think of GOD as my only beloved, my only well-wisher and HE is the only one who is everything to me. But love alone does not work. Theoretical knowledge is also equally important. Why LOVE God and not man? Why Devotion is better than any charity Work or than any other work of humanity? What way every one is related to God? Why are the theories that do not involve seeking Divine or Infinite happiness totally rubbish? Why are we at present away from God? Why mind demands pleasures of this world? Why is it necessary to think of him and only him? So many whys! One must get answers to all queries.
No practical is possible without theory.
I'm sorry I delayed the reply. I think we should not deny that our selection is always based on what could be the best course of action to achieve desired gains. Again we set our Goal on what could be the BEST that can be achieved with our abilities and resources. I've tried to present the partial theory of Divine Love through complete logic, without specifying any scripture. Reference http://home.talkcity.com/SpiritCir/whatsinname/philweb.htmI've also listed all the discussions on net at http://home.talkcity.com/SpiritCir/whatsinname/net.htmI would be grateful if you could spend some time on reading these links. Please let me know how you appreciate it. Life is precious, and at the same time, too short. It is once over nothing can be achieved till another turn of human birth. So let us be serious about God and let us take some pains to understand spiritual theories.
It Is Better To Be Small.
Why? I don't think apology is necessary. I actually replied to your post. There was some mistake and I tried to re post it. I got message "It is already posted". I just repeat. I've already pointed out that if you want to experience exhilaration, EGO has to be kept aside. Mind cannot be at two states simultaneously. Why one should find it offensive when some facts are being disclosed? There is no reason for being upset. This universe is so big, that however big you are, you reduce yourself to a small soul. If some one really feels small, he is actually slowly and slowly heading to true perception of reality. We do not possess absolutely anything that can fetch us pride if we consider what God is! Whatever we have got is actually given to us by HIM. We are therefore small and if we realise that we can approach God faster. The main reason why we are no where near God is our EGO. EGO and Happiness (GOD) cannot co exists.
Separate Entities.
I cannot see your house from the one in which I'm staying. Until you experience Divine Happiness, you're standing outside the house of God. All this theory and practice is to get ENTRY into the house. If you've already acquired that infinite happiness, you don't need any theory or any practice. All that you experience is just GOD everywhere accompanied by infinite happiness. BUT YOU'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY EVEN THEN.
Even after acquiring infinite happiness through meditation, you'll never get to know what sort of happiness lies there in Divine Love. For devotee happiness of any other kinds is available. He just discards all them as rubbish. Because the taste of divine happiness is SEPARATE from that of Samadhi happiness. If yogi by chance comes across Divine Love he'll forget his meditation forever. But Devotee, even after being offered, will reject yogi's happiness. If you've something of superior quality in hand you'll never accept the one with inferior quality.
God And Maya
I think the explanation would be that Prakriti or Maya is real. God is real. We can either perceive Maya or God. It is like viewing white colour through red transparent paper. It appears Red. Paper is real. Light is real. But we can remove the paper that is in between Light and eyes. You will find real form of God. That is through Maya or Prakriti we perceive distorted version of God. If we are successful in removing the layer of Prakriti or Maya, which is between God and us, You can realise real and infinite happiness that is associated with God. Therefore after reaching destination, you visualise the same WORLD in which you are staying as PLACE OF DIVINE HAPPINESS. What I'd request you is to do some practice as stated in Permanent Solution, you'd know the reality yourself. The focus must be on cause because of which we are under spell of Maya. Because of which we cannot turn to God. That cause then leads to sufferings. Thus the only cause of sufferings is materialistic desires. This is the reason why we do not take God and Spiritualism seriously. Another problem is desires cannot vanish. Then the only solution remain is to divert all thinking to Divine area. About your questions: There are two main differences that stand out from my exceptions: 1) God and Soul being separate although both divine. 2) At what level, do I choose to address suffering? No one denies that God and Soul are different entities. It is the fact that GOD is omnipresent and therefore God occupies place within Soul as well. He occupies place in each and every particle of this universe. For example Bulb throws light when electricity passes through it. Bulb and electricity are still different from each other. Similarly God is cause of life in Soul yet Soul is different entity from God. Regarding second question: You can address sufferings of others only after you have acquired infinite happiness. Now that you have got power to know about others mind, desires, exact nature of problems, infinite past, you are in a position to bring relief to others.
Love
A devotee who loves Lord tells him:
I don't desire wealth, position, prestige and relatives. I don't desire to possess any skills of any sorts that will make me popular. I can never desire for a beautiful and charming girl because I know she will stand between you and me. Nor do I desire to get released from sufferings and cycle of birth and death.
My only desire is to LOVE you, to see you happy life after life till the time infinite. Won't you, who are almighty, fulfil my little wish?
Original in Sanskrit by Chaitainya.
I don't care whether my beloved is beautiful or displeasing. It doesn't bother me whether he is virtuous or villainous. I'm least worried whether he is full of compassion or hatred. All that I know is I cannot live without Krishn. He is my only destination. (Original in Sanskrit Scripture)
O You seeker of Girls! Krishn! You can behave in only three ways.
You can love me and embrace me and accept me as your own. You can ignore me and put me under great distress of being ignored. Make me suffer from pangs of separation. You can disdain me, hate me or kill me with your famous weapon -Sudarshan Chakra. It's my challenge that my LOVE to You will be the same in all these situations.
(Original in Sanskrit by Shri Chaintanya Mahaprabhu)
Divisions
Well!
Division of student and teacher will be there as long as there are
persons who are not successful in attaining infinite happiness. They
will need guidance from the ones who have already acquired such
happiness. Again we have our infinite past actions and all those
actions; their effects can be tackled by a person who has access to
infinite knowledge of God. Therefore Saint is must. It may be that we
are not in a position to judge who is such person and who is not. And
hence we approach God straight and purify our heart to some extent.
At certain level of purification of heart, you are in position to
know genuine saint. Once you know that rest is very easy.
Regarding
differences between Meditation and Divine Love, let's take the stock
of situation once more.
1. Mind thinks.
2. Thinking of mind
has further effect on mind.
3. That is to say thinking is the
process through which mind effects change into itself.
4. That is
mind gets developed differently with different types of thinking.
5.
There is definite different pattern of thinking between three
disciplines of Guyana, Yogi, and Devotee.
To be precise:
Guyani
(Person who believes in path of Knowledge) thinks everything is God
and He himself is also God and World is unreal.
Yogi
thinks that world is real and God is reservoir of supreme happiness
and keeps on concentrating on divine God.
Devotee
thinks God is just like any other ordinary person and loves him as we
do in our day to day life. He definitely believes that God and Soul
are different without which no love is possible.
There are
again classes in devotees, which we are not dealing with at present.
6.
Because of difference in thinking pattern, mind of Gyani, Yogi and
Devotee gets developed differently. And therefore they reach
different states at the point of transformation.
7. God is
powerhouse of infinite power and therefore even in spiritual area
many varieties are possible.
8. Owing to 6 and 7 All three end up
in getting different kind of spiritual happiness.
9. Thus all
three will get infinite happiness but of different nature. Just as
you experience different type of finite happiness in different
relationships, games, eating, watching etc.
10.
Since once you cross threshold between finite and infinite you'll be
deprived of any other class of infinite happiness. As infinite means
something that stays with you forever.
11. That is why one must
make selection of best possible path.
STEALING
The Permanent Solution is Available at www.geocities.com/shreeradha
Another
point that comes to me is that when you're accusing me of stealing
words it means MY WRITINGS ARE REALLY APPEALING! Thank you for your
compliment.
Regarding
editing of posting I myself do it with MICROSOFT WORD where I get
assistance to check spelling and grammar. Again I wish to clarify
that Net Talk and Permanent Solution are WRITTEN BY ME. It took me
about three months to arrive at final draft of The Permanent
Solution. Again Microsoft Word offered me a great help on spellings,
grammar and in choosing appropriate word. Net talk is collection of
MY ORIGINAL postings from following clubs:
Divine Love
Conversation with God
Philosophical Forum
Does God Exist
Philosophers4God
Macro
Society Canadian Chapter
Another
clarification is that my writing contains teachings of SHRI KARIPALU
MAHAPRABHU.
The statements and illustrations that I use are either
given by SHRI KRIPALU MAHAPRABHU or by ME. No third party or any
stealing is involved in it.
Please remember that WE ARE AWAY FROM GOD for time infinite because we never trusted any interpreter however logical and appealing he or she might have been.
A story!
There is one story from Mahabharat. It goes like this. I hope all of you know about Mahabharat. To explain in short, there was a group of 5 brothers (Pandav) and another group of 100 brothers (Kaurav). Pandav were religious and Kaurav were villainous. Kaurav played some dirty game and expelled Pandav to FOREST. Not being content with this, they planned to send one ascetic with 100s of his students to Pandav. Objective was that ascetic would ask them food and if Pandav cannot provide, they will be ruined by his curse. Pandav had one magic pot. One could get as much as food from it but only once a day. Kaurav timed visit of ascetic in such a way that ascetic would visit Pandav after that pot had been utilized for that day. He kept ascetic in dark regarding his real motives. Krishn was friend of Pandav.
So ascetic went to Pandav and asked food. He told them that he along with all his students is going for bath in the river and Pandav must keep food ready for all before his return. Pandav were extremely worried. While ascetic was busy in taking bath, Krishn approached Pandav. Pandav thought they could now be getting some solution. Instead Krishn asked them some food for him. Draupadi, wife of Pandav, told him that she could not arrange food for him because the magic pot had been used and washed for that say. Krishn asked to look for anything that might have escaped washing. Draupadi checked pot and found that one leaf of some preparation was sticking to the pot. Krishn demanded that. He swallowed the leaf and told Pandav that satisfied him. Krishn, being omnipresent, carried that feeling of satisfaction right up to the hearts of ascetic and students of ascetic. All of them felt that their belly is full and would not be able to eat any thing. Thinking that it would be difficult to face Pandav and accept their hospitality, he went away.
That is if GOD or SAINT ask something from you, their motive is to bring you comfort.
Where do you want to GO?
People are unhappy! Unsatisfied! They suffer from pain, anguish, grief, death! God who is all powerful and all knowing cannot do anything about it. God just assists us in achieving what we want to achieve. You would say 'who is interested in hell or sufferings?' Yes people are! Otherwise why one should associate oneself with acts those have such effects? It is like you take plane for some other country than India and after reaching there wonder 'Oh! How come am I here? I wanted to go to India!' So let us be judicious in our actions! Since actions in God's realm are limited to thinking, let us improve our thinking. Let us get spiritually oriented.
Romantic Love
Romantic Love is of three categories:
1.
Totally selfish. That is you want God to be with you to satisfy your
desires of romance. Here the word sensuality describes it very well.
Still the difference is you're dependant on God and not on any other
material person for your amorous quest. Because you're thinking of
Divine God, your mind gets purified and eventually you reach the
divine realm and keep on receiving infinite sexual pleasure forever.
But this is not the kind of Love that any saint prescribes. The
reason is through this process you limit yourself to just the
beginning of ladder of spiritual romantic happiness.
2. Business
Love. : This is sort of love that is there between two persons who
think of their happiness as well of their beloved. In next posting
I'll narrate a short story to bring out the difference. With this
type of thinking too you don't reach ultimate hierarchy of romantic
happiness.
3. Selfless Love: This type of love is that love in
which even desire for romance is for making your beloved happy. For
satisfaction of Lord. You think that God will derive happiness
through relationship with you. Here the word sensual is not
applicable. The reason being you want to have relationship with God
for His happiness and not for your amorous quest. My next post makes
it clear.
Regarding your second point - That is Exactly what one must achieve - That is to take view of this world as place of God. This view is essentially based on concept of infinity for anything that is limited cannot be God since the very definition of God is INFINITE and ETERNAL HAPPINESS.
Once Lord Krishn was in Dwairika. He acted that he was very sick and can die any moment. All doctors failed. Narad, one of his devotees was near by. He asked Lord, "What is the solution? I know you can only tell." "Oh! Nothing! Just that if any of my devotee gives me dust particles stuck to his feet to apply on my forehead, I'll be alright." , Relplied Krishn. Narad thought, "Even I can offer him my foot-dust. But who knows what Krishn is up to. He might be playing trick to fool me." And he decided not to offer his foot-dust. He approached his Queens, "Your husband is very sick and wants dust particles of your feet so that he can apply it on his fore head and get rid of his sickness." What?" asked queens, "Are you at your senses? How can we offer him dust? Do you want to send us to hell? What people will comment? They will laugh at us." Krishn told Narad, "Try at Vrindavan." So Narad went there and told maids of Vrindavan, "Your beloved is very sick. He needs dust particles of your feet to cure him." All of them offered him dust. Narad was surprised. He asked, "Aren't you aware that you'll have to go to hell if you put dust of your feet on Lord?" Maids replied, "Don't waste time in all these unfruitful queries. He is seriously sick. Come back after delivery of dust to Him and we'll answer all your queries."
So the analysis is:
Narad was afraid of being called fool.
Queens were not ready to suffer humiliation from people. And they were also not ready to suffer in hell to make Lord happy.
Maids of Vrindavan were not at all worried about the consequences of their actions other than that their action would bring comfort to their beloved. They were also not worried about any defamation. All that they wanted was to make Lord happy.
This is the difference in business Love and selfless love. Selfish love not worthy of consideration
An important aspect of selfless love is presence of Radha. As Krishn is happiness incarnate, Radha is Love incarnate. The Love that we are seeking is personalized in the form of Radha and therefore supporters of selfless love worship Radha-Krishn (Love & Happiness) together.
Rebirth
See when you pray you're doing some psychological work. That psychological work has some physical effect. Therefore the physical effect that you are subjected to must be attributable to psychological work in past. Therefore your birth is subjected to your psychological work in past. Therefore there must be past lives.
I
was pointing to the fact that work of mind (which I termed as
psychological work) has a physical effect of curing some disease.
That is our mind works and we see its physical implication. It is
true that GOD is beyond psychology. Still he is so kind that he notes
our psychological work and rewards accordingly. Prayer is one
example. Therefore if we take this as cause and effect (cause: prayer
and effect: cure), then physical event of birth (effect) must have
some work of mind in past (cause). Secondly this theory also explains
why there is so much diversity in living conditions of living beings.
One is rich, another suffers from starvation. One is very happy
another is full of grief. This theory also asserts all virtues like
kindness, compassion associated with God are justified and what one
gets is what is due to him or her. You think something and God will
reward you positively or negatively according to what you think. Thus
when you pray, God notes that you're trying to approach him and
according to intensity and sincerity of prayer he rewards you,
protecting your interests all the time.
Some Objections
Welcome Sharon!
You
accused me a lot! Telling facts cannot be taken as criticism. If some
one is ailing from cancer and if you tell him, you are not critising
him. Instead it could be good for him if he takes it seriously. I
have'nt said that theories of meditation are wrong, all that I'm
saying is the ultimate reception of happiness through them is far
less inferior compared to bliss of love. If you want to know what my
GURU teaches, you can contact on the number I displyed on welcome
message for his material. Even you can write me your exact address so
that I can dispatch it to you.
Let us go point by point.
1
you said God is not within us but you also stated "Infinity
minus infinity is equal to infinity." "Therefore, God, even
after occupying EACH AND EVERY smallest particle, can still have a
distinct appearance." Are we not made of particles?
The
whole issue is about it. GOD IS THERE EVERY WHERE. He occupies even
our body and soul. STILL we do not experience infinite exhilaration.
We need to know reasons for that.
2 "I do experience
happiness through the senses." Only experience is experienced
through the senses, happiness is in the heart/soul and is not felt
through the senses. Can you smell, taste, hear, see or touch
happiness. No, you can only feel it through the heart and feeling it
through the heart is non physical.
Our
internal feeling of happiness are invariably tied to external objects
and perception of external objects is through senses and therefore
the belief that "I do experience happiness through the
senses."
3 Happiness is the creation of mind itself"
Any happiness created in the mind/ego is a temporary happiness. True
happiness is in the heart/soul. the heart that really knows what
unconditional love is.
What
is difference between heart and mind? Please refer to post no 37.
True happiness is always of infinite magnitude. It cannot be
sustained by material heart (or mind).
4
You quoted "Concept on friendships are formed because you feel
they are useful" This is not what true friendships are based on,
this is the practice of conditional love. Does God love us
conditionally? I think not. We are to love one another
unconditionally because we are all children of God ....we were all
made in his likeness.....we are all perfect
Are
we replete with infinite happiness like God? Are we all knowing like
God? Are we omnipotent? Because we live for our own happiness, we
develop friendship with others so that we are happy. That is the
usefulness I am talking about.
5 Your
quote "No one loves anyone else for else's happiness, but to
fetch happiness to ones own soul" Does it not feel good to you
to make someone else happy...when I love someone I do not expect it
to make me happy in return and I don't expect them to love me in
return...I love them because they are nothing less than lovable
because God made us all and all are lovable.
True LOVE has
ability to relieve you from all sorts of sufferings. It brings you
infinite happiness. And then if don't object the statement that "To
simplify further, an individual remains in certain state of mind till
it finds itself comfortable with that state and tries to change the
state if the prevailing conditions no more yield any satisfaction to
it and if the individual is forced to continue in the same state, in
which it is not comfortable, it faces the situation with some
unpleasant feelings like tension, sorrow, grudge, anxiety and so on."
How can you claim that you love someone? LOVE is to make others happy
while we are after our own happiness.
6 Quote "The
instrument (body) that we possess are incapable of grasping divine
God." Humans are capable of grasping the divine God, many have
like your Guru and your guru is human like the rest of us so why
would we not be capable of this. It is like hairs grow from our body
but they are not same as of the body. You can cut them easily.
Similarly God is divine but our body is material, incapable of
grasping of divine God. You'll find the differences between saint and
other person as you continue reading The Permanent Solution. GURU is
divine in and out. It is our problem that we do not experience him
that way.
7
quote "Therefore, there cannot be any divine cure for any
disease, for God is the only source of all divine powers." Let
me quote from the bible here...I Corinthians 12:9 "to another
the gifts of healing by the same spirit" Chapter 12 speaks of
all the gifts God has given us. I know we have the power to heal
others because he has given us this gift.
As
I have been arguing there are many supernatural powers but those who
seek them can use them only for finite duration and they too are not
exception to the general rule of seeking their own happiness. Such
healing is temporary and cannot cure real disease of desires.
Therefore there is no real divine cure. What saint can do is all
together different. One should not compare his doing with that of
saint till one acquires divine knowledge.
SAINT
Understanding that some one is a saint has to come from within. There are certain spiritual experiences that saint can give us indicating his divine power. Spiritual experiences are beyond all logic. Even beyond logic of coincidence. Saints are very good at acting. No point in going by their external behavior. Once you know him, don't think every thing is over. You must not deviate from spiritual path. The reason is this understanding rest in mind only at certain level of purification of heart. If you attach yourself to materialistic pleasures, you may lose faith in saint. Thus to know saint two points are essential. Your heart must be pure up to necessary level AND Saint must be genuine.
To
get to know about saint you need to understand theory proposed by
him. Also you need to spend some time with him doing what he wants
you do. When you're not with him, you must continue spiritual
exercises. Again, as it is true for everything, you must first
believe in HIM as true saint and then if you don't progress
spiritually, you can try for some other saint. God being all knowing,
counts your efforts spent in search of saint and at some point of
time he'll put in touch with a real saint. If searching exercise is
already done in past lives, you come across real saint right at the
first time. Not only that if such saint is due to you, God will
arrange the meeting with sheer coincidence. Another way is to keep on
praying God for such meeting.
Who is more intelligent?
Great saint Narad ji says,
"Intelligence lies in getting something that is boundless, unlimited from the limited resources you have, from the limited life time you have." This is where you win over your limitations. Otherwise death puts an end to whatever free talk you make or whatever free will you have or whatever limit of wealth, fame... you have acquired.
In other words sanity lies in breaking the cage by making use of cage itself! You are there is the cage of death. Some day or other death will approach you. So, while living in that cage if you can cross the limitation of death you are really intelligent else death turns out to be more intelligent than you!